The Day the Ukraine War Ended

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1. Jonathan Lemire: “[Yesterday], the war in Ukraine ended, at least in a sense.

   “Bloody fighting between depleted militaries will continue to barely move the frozen front lines. Russian missile and drone raids will still pummel Ukrainian cities and terrorize their citizens. Gutsy, covert Ukrainian strikes will hit deep behind the Russian border.

   “But a new, and likely final, chapter in the nearly three-year conflict began [yesterday] with a confluence of clear signals from the United States that it will no longer back Kyiv’s goals in the war, all but ensuring that Ukraine will not regain its sovereign territory or achieve its most sought-after security guarantees.

   “Ukrainians have warily watched Donald Trump reclaim power, knowing his longtime deference toward Russian President Vladimir Putin and having heard his promise to end the conflict ‘in 24 hours,’ which always seemed like a way to codify Russian war gains. Although Trump failed in fulfilling that pledge, he has made no secret of wanting to bring about a quick end to the fighting.

   “And when he interjected himself into the conflict [yesterday], he did so in telling fashion: by calling Putin, a move that White House framed as the beginning of a negotiation to end the war in Ukraine …  Only afterward did Trump call Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky ‘to inform him of the conversation.’

   “Trump and his top advisers rewarded Putin’s patience to continue the conflict through the November U.S. election, likely enabling him to strike a deal closer to his liking as Russia and Ukraine finally consider a negotiated end to the war. Before his call with Zelensky, Trump wrote on Truth Social that he would tell Zelensky that he and Putin agreed to ‘have our respective teams start negotiations immediately,’ pushing Ukraine to the sidelines of its own war. In his own social-media post, Zelensky later described his call with Trump as having been ‘meaningful.’ But Trump didn’t promise Zelensky the same meeting he offered Putin; Zelensky will meet with Vice President J. D. Vance at this week’s Munich security conference.

   “Taken together, the events [yesterday] reinforced that Ukraine’s leverage is slipping away. Just as Trump and Putin spoke, U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth declared, in an appearance at NATO headquarters, that achieving Ukraine’s main objective in the war—to restore its borders as they were before 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea—was ‘unrealistic.’ ‘Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering,’ Hegseth said in Brussels.

   “Hegseth chose the occasion to declare, as well, that the Trump administration does not support Ukraine’s desire to join NATO as part of any peace plan, a position that Putin has long opposed, not wanting to bring the alliance to his border. And Hegseth urged Europe to take on more responsibility for its own defense, saying that it should no longer count on Washington as it has in the past.”

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2. come on europe, step up and send your weapons over to help ukraine…..

3. Ukraine wasn’t going to recover its territory without large scale European or US troop mobilizations. The idea it was going to happen with only money, training and material is divorce from reality. Continuing the conflict, even with the previous support, could only mean a deteriorating situation for Ukraine.

4. Pretty weak moment for the United States. Attacks their allies, emboldened their adversary.

   This is the end of Pax Americana

5. This situation has been clear for a year and has been repeated talked about by serious non Trump people for that time too.

6. This will be the Suez Canal Crisis moment for the US if the latter agrees with Russia’s condition for Ukraine to let Crimea go forever.

7. I see a lot of pearl clutching in the threads about this despite no one being privy to what was actually discussed.

   “But appeasement!” They cry. And yet when you ask them if they’re willing to be drafted to go fight the Russians in Ukraine they all slink back to the comfort of their chairs and computer screens.

8. It should end, the status quo would have kept being extremely slow progress on both sides.

9. If it ends favorably to Russia terms Russia succeeded in defeating the West.

   The post war results will show a million Ukrainian men dead or more. Over half the country fled the country and maybe half a million or more missing limbs. Russian casualties will be like 120k once the propaganda is over and the facts shown.

   Zelensky and his crew either be jailed or assassinated.

   Russia would have succeeding in beating NATO in a proxy war and in beating the US in intelligence and influence.

   Agent Trump will do what Putin wishes which is kill and destroy all anti Russian opposition in the US and Western world and isolate the US economy and harm US allies and remove Russia sanctions and maybe invade Mexico and Canada and then attack Denmark and then finally make wars with Iran and China and commit suicide while doing this by promoting secession for left wing states and gutting education and close crucial government departments like the EPA and Education and perhaps transport and the CIA next.

   Gutting the FBI and removing all intelligence agents who do not support Russia. Hiring illegal agents from a list Putin provides to Trump and promoting them in all key areas.

   Taking out Russian frenemies

10. Zelinsky would kill every Ukrainian to save Ukraine and have nothing left to save. Maybe Churchill would have killed every Brit as well… The war had to end, neither side will get everything they wanted.

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