trump blames Ukraine for Russia invading. | Trump: “Russia has said from day one, long before President Putin, they’ve said they cannot have Ukraine be in NATO. They said that very strongly. I actually think that was the thing that caused the start of the war. Biden said it and Zelenskyy said it.”
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by andrewgrabowski
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“strongly” and “strong” are 10% of the words out of this simp’s mouth
And Trump is completely wrong, as usual.
Muppet
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Didn’t even know Ukraine had made an attempt to join Nato. I assumed it was a bullshit Russian excuse. Finland and Sweden joined. Russia didn’t care, but I guess they didn’t have immediate plans to invade them…..
Yeah, they’ve said it. They hate NATO. Thing is, that’s what NATO is FOR – if you don’t want to tread on Russia’s toes you might as well disband NATO right here.
This has big “well what was she wearing” energy
These “negotiations” will not end well, there’s not a single mention of any kind of concession from Russia’s side, just blaming Ukraine for everything and backstabbing all of Europe.
Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2008 but Angela Merkel and colleagues put Ukraine off,
because they didn’t want to upset the supplier of cheap natural gas (DE) and uranium (FR).
Ukraine has resigned itself to this fate.
At least I have never heard about this wish after 2008 or 2014.
I mean Ukraine is not Germany that often has addressed the situation of the Uyghurs in Chenyang, China,
knowing that the effect would be like a fart in the elevator.
So Ukraine ~~gave up~~ shifted the focus to more promising things.
Maybe someone else knows more.
“… In early 2008, Georgia and Ukraine sought protection from Russia’s increasingly aggressive and unpredictable
big neighbour and pushed into NATO.
They were promised accession, but there was no time frame.
The then US President George W. Bush pushed. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the
French President (Nicolas Sarkozy) ensured that accession was postponed indefinitely.
“At the time, NATO was torn on this issue and Germany and France put on the brakes,”
says political scientist Markus Kaim. “This is also an illustration that in 2008 they did exactly what Russia was missing,
allegedly, and demanded, namely to take Russian interests into account and the whole area of NATO’s eastward expansion.”…”
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/nato-russland-grundakte-100.html
An American president with the name Trump was strictly against a pipeline for natural gas with the name “North Stream”,
because of the fear of growing dependency to Russia.
Trump is a CEO.
Layoffs reduce cost. But he will see, that national economy is much more complicated.
He will lose voters and to reduce the risk of criminality, he would have to do something … social.
He could easily reduce inflation in US by lowering the prices for gasoline.
“Drill baby, drill” could help, Russian oil could help faster (reducing the world market price),
but at the same time he has to keep up high prices for natural gas. Otherwise fracking would be unprofitable.
In the end Trump could go that far to promote renewables, because these are “National” energy.
If so. That was after their puppet president was overthrown in 2014 and Russia decided to take part of Ukraine within days. Annexed Crimea by fake referendum and supported a war in Eastern Ukraine for years.
That clown is trying to rewrite history.
Remember the times when a national leader went out on a limb to defend your sworn enemy’s justifications for egregious attacks against your interests. Like when a certain president rushed to the rescue to prevent the Soviet Union from falling apart at its weakest hour. Idiocracy Reloaded will do that for you, the contents are exactly what it says on the label.
No surprise he Blaims children for being too attractive to him
Lol. Nato wasn’t on the table ever. Never discussed. They are trying to sell the rumor. Can you believe this idiot is just coming out and saying their deepest desires? Putin must have NO troops or equipment left. Why you think he wants to negotiate now?? He’s losing the war! Badly. No negotiations even. Off the table.
Person, woman, man, camera, TV. Someone do the test on him again.
Next he will be blaming Ukraine for being fascist. I think that was the other ridiculous pukin claim justifying his invasion😤
What the actual fuck?
Ukraine was not actually getting into NATO. This was blocked by a solid number of members. So Russia attacked Ukraine for merely wanting into NATO.
Russia is like a violent stalker.
Odd that the common denominator for not being invaded by Russia as one of its neighbors is being apart of NATO.
Trump was always a Russian asset.
I hope the Trump voters realize soon what a fuckup they did to themselves and the world
These countries ask to join NATO to protect them from Russia, they can ask NATO not to store nukes. America just got weaker bowing to Putin, and it will come back to bite them
And they said No NATO for Finland or they will invade. And look what happened now?
Good old times when traders were hung and shot.
But Ukraine is not in nato? Its not even close to joining nato, nor it ever was. So… what exactly is the excuse for russia to attack it then?
He had gone full mad mode.
NATO is a threat to Russia like a barbed fence is a threat to a wolf.
The entire reason Russia doesn’t want Ukraine in NATO is so Russia can attack them more easily.
“How dare that woman wants to marry another man!?” — says the man who thinks himself a Judge as he gave favorable judgement to a husband who staved and beat his former wife.
What people misunderstand, I think, is why Putin is so adamantly against Ukraine joining NATO, while not giving a fuck about whether Finland joins or not.
The reason is that Putin knows he cannot attack a NATO country. And he wanted to attack Ukraine.
It was never, “We don’t want NATO closer to us, NATO is really scary. That’s why Ukraine cannot join NATO”.
It was, “We want to subjugate Ukraine and we cannot do that if they are in NATO. That’s why Ukraine cannot join NATO”.
Russia doesn’t want to subjugate Finland, and so they really don’t care if Finland joins NATO.
VP Trump is wrong here. Putin never invaded Ukraine over anything NATO. Putin blabbed about a lot of reasons to invade Ukraine. NATO only became a thing after a year into the war. Please keep up with propaganda.
Even if Russia says that Ukraine can’t join NATO, Russia is not Ukraine. Ukraine has the right to its own self determination. Anything else is bullshit.
If Russia is threatened by NATO, it’s more than welcome to take some of its territory and use that in the creation of a buffer or demilitarized area but it cannot impose rules and restrictions on a sovereign nation. I know there’s an arguement to be made that Russia does not seen Ukraine as a sovereign nation but the Soviet Empire no longer exists and has as much claim to lands and territories as the Ottoman empire.
To be fair, he now talks about Ukraine like he did before the election. This was what we expected from day one, that it took as much as a few weeks to start aligning with Putin was the surprise. Oh well, we still have to see what actual actions US will take. At least the sanctions aren’t lifted yet.
Trump just saying random nonsensical shit that has little to do with history.
Russia doesn’t get a vote on what Ukraine does
Too bad it was … the US who said Ukraine will be in NATO. Fuck Biden and fuck this guy even harder
A basic principle is that a sovereign nation is able to chose it’s own path. It was for Ukraine to decide if it wanted EU and NATO membership not Russia and certainly not Trump (I don’t say USA deliberately).
Europe is a joke and it’s still in total denial on its economic, military, social and cultural decline.
Trump is just one of the many things we are grossly unprepared for even if we could have been prepared if we wanted.
Unfortunately that’s what you get when you have an incomplete Union that cares only about national interests and its run by incompetent bureaucrats who only talk about regulations and think you can solve issues by investing 100 Billion here and there in buzzwords. A Joke.
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