NATO is in disarray after the US announces that its security priorities lie elsewhere

https://apnews.com/article/nato-us-europeans-ukraine-security-russia-hegseth-d2cd05b5a7bc3d98acbf123179e6b391

Posted by LunchyPete

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  1. SS: Former Fox News host and somehow current U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ~~rattled~~ ruffled feathers in the EU after saying EU security can’t be a primary concern due to [alleged] threats to the US. Hegsworth has said Ukraine will not get all it’s territory back and the US will not defend any NATO forces attempting to help Ukraine.

  2. At this stage…if Russia invades the Baltic states, I don’t think America is going to help in any way shape or form. They’ll do they’re absolute bare minimum because of Article 5 like cutting trade with Russia and expelling diplomats, but I don’t expect any military, economic or intelligence assistance from them at all.

  3. He was a bit too blunt but not entirely wrong. It’s a changing world order with which comes changing priorities. This has been true for a while but hard to reconcile because most presidents have been Atlanticist for the most part. With Trump that doesn’t work. He doesn’t care either way.

  4. Europe should pull the trigger of US leading NATO and should start preparing ASAP on a NATO without the US.

  5. best part about this, Europe will still refuse to raise their defense spending

    I’m still baffled at how they think it is OK to spend 2% GDP on military while their primary adversary is actively invading their neighbours

  6. Any deal that cuts down war spending I’m for. The world economy is in complete chaos and poverty is reaching all time levels. I’m sick of the US being the world police and military spending being prioritized over the betterment of the people while other nations develop their societies with less military spending and laugh at us for our backward social support structure.

  7. Trump views China as the greater threat than Russia. And Trump has (rightfully) been critical of the EU’s reliance on the US for defense predominantly because their priority has been to spend their GDP on other things than defense (and not comply with their NATO obligation).

    That said, the US placed itself as leader of the west and has called the shots since the end of WWII. Being the big man on campus comes with a price that it’s no longer able to pay as its debt exceeds $36 Trillion. Without a blank check from the US, NATO and the EU can decide their own destiny.

  9. The US has been moving away from Europe since 2008 or so. This shouldn’t have been a surprise

  10. The U.S. is in disarray much more so than NATO. Hegseth is standing up at his press conference declaring Trump is the leader of the free world while touting America first policy.

    Meanwhile the so called leader of the free world is openly talking about taking over territory from other NATO members (Canada and Greenland) and negotiating a settlement about Ukraine with Russia without Ukraine in the room.

    The U.S. can no longer be trusted or believed.

    And the U.S. president is certainly no longer the leader of the free world.

    It will be interesting to see how Europe evolves. I hope it can do so without more conflict, but I suspect Russia will attempt to grab more territory.

  12. Life pro tip: dont trust or be an USA ally…. We already know how things work in Latam

  14. The US just threw away all its allies.

    Just like Trump proposed in 1987 in the full-page ads he took out immediately after his trip to Soviet Moscow.

  15. >Beyond that, Hegseth said that NATO will not come to the rescue of any European nation involved in that force if it is attacked by Russia. It’s unclear what role the U.S. would play, if any, although Russia is sure to test the force’s resolve if America does not provide backup.

    Well then, time to face the music and create that European army Macron’s been pushing for for years

  16. European security would be better served if we side lined the Americans and prepared for a world without them. It would be political painful ramping up spending but necessary. We cannot rely on the Americans and shouldn’t leave European security in hands of them.

    Time to decouple, time take russian war against us seriously and support Ukraine 200%.

    Why do I say this? Well the biggest danger is trump gaslighting NATO and Europe give up on Ukraine and it own security. This cannot be allowed. We cannot allow great powers to bully everyone else around.

  17. I am pretty sure this has been discussed inside NATO since 2016.

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