This seems to be touchy subject among immigrants, as this crosspost from r/suomi was deleted for no reason. So here it is for the third time.

by Jealous_Setting1334

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  2. i mean this is pretty common knowledge, these studies have been done a million times before and always led to the same results all around europe, i think youd need to lack a brain and a pair of eyes to disagree with it, but the reason it gets taken down is because its seen as potentially encouraging towards racism to people that dont belong on that list and dont deserve it, which is a very valid reason

    the issue is more that finland often refuses to deport people once they commit crimes regardless of their severity, the system is forgiving and fails to properly prioritize its own citizens over political correctness and social service, although id say there isnt some huge widespread crime problem like these stats seem to portray (in finland), which is why theyre so controversial regardless of your political stance on the topic

  3. They say it is biased because most refugees are young cis heterosexual males from a conservative background where Finnish people are averagely elder. The statement itself is very true but I’m quite confused about why are most refugees young cis heterosexual males instead of women, kids, elder people, people with disabilities, sexual and gender minorities, etc.

    Shouldn’t these opportunities given to Afghan woman, trans people in some Asian countries, gay and lesbian people in Africa, something like this?

  4. This is simply bad data as it hasn’t been normalized by age and sex. Young men commit by far the most sexual assault, and it so happens that the groups that are most represented here in the top also are predominantly young men. The number for Finns is lower to a large part because it also includes women, children and old men, who are much, much less likely to commit sexual crimes.

    Sincerely,
    a data analyst

  6. or maybe not some info to go about distributing everywhere in our Finland, not like your Kremlin.

  7. This presentation of data is problematic for a bunch of reasons.

    But honestly – denying the trend, if anything, would be racist. People from a different cultural background, where people (esp. women) are generally treated differently than up here in the north, will behave differently. When a culture views sexual crimes as a normal thing to do, yeah they’re gonna be more common in people with that specific cultural background.

    Grinds my gears to no end that people get offended for talking about this subject, like it would somehow make it not true.

  8. Maybe from that data you can get some insights. People coming from countries, which cultures have removed sexuality from they public life/and/or participating with another gender isn’t every day life, to countries, where expression of ones’s sexuality is pretty much free, if you have clothes on. If you think about that a little further, you can see that those people do not necessary have what it takes to control their behaviour in their system. And not saying with this, that actions are justified because. But they maybe having hard time to learn proper ways. Is there a way to somehow direct those manners to a better way, or is it just something what happens when time passes, that is maybe one interesting question in this area.

    I’m sorry about that monster sentence, hope it is understandable. English isn’t the first bet when I’m starting to open my thoughts more.

  9. Sort of off topic, but the fact that a post can be removed from this sub by a non-mod sweat who essentially lives on reddit is a bad thing. Either make the user-lead moderation work or not have it at all. One person having a dogshit opinion shouldn’t mean the post should be reposted for the conversation to happen.

  11. Why the fuck is truth getting deleted. Same shit is happening in Germany

  13. Thank you for reminding me why I no longer go to r/suomi. 

  14. It is socially more easier to report a foreigner who gropes you than a family member or local neighbour.

  15. I have no issue with the data being presented. The issue is how you just throw it up with no description relating to the data.

    No description of what is being put in front of us. I feel it’s just about provoking and stoking the fire instead of having a discussion about the crimes, the data, issues in society and more importantly nationally how do you reduce this as a whole.

  16. Deport every immigrant and refugee who has done any crimes

  17. As an immigrant in Finland myself, I don’t get how brainless can people be to have an opportunity to start over in a much better country, and just decide to behave like this. 
    Feel bad for other women, elder or children from the same countries that didn’t get the same opportunity and would have made the best of it. 

  18. I would also like to see the absolute count for those people. if there are very few from those countries, this kind of statistics is not reliable.

  19. It supports right wing talking points, so it’s probably lie or misinformation.

  20. Didn’t read the comments but yes, this is a taboo task from a linguistic point of view. It’s semantic load is very heavy. And as we keep on not talking about the taboo, nothing changes.

  21. Ok but seriously how bad is Finland at this point, regarding such crimes? Do y’all feel like this is going to get worse or the government is going to do something about it? Genuine question. Because I know that Germany is a mess right now, but I assume Finland is still far from being unsafe like Germany currently, at least.

  22. As per usual, quite a lot of racism in the thread on r/suomi. The mods there ban anti-racists and accept even totally open racism so it is what it is.

    And yeah, it’s a touchy subject, because racists use these kind of statistics as a way of spreading their vitrol. It’s hard to talk about refugees, minorities, etc, in the public Internet on open comment sections, since racist dicks derail any discussion pretty quickly.

    Anyhow..

    First thing first, would be to actually normalize the data by age, gender, and economic background.

    On r/suomi, bunch of people are claiming it’s the “culture” in those areas. But there’s really not many places in the world where sexual assault was culturally completely alright. Of course attitudes still vary, and even if on paper rape is punished and illegal, in many countries attitudes towards women by men are often awful, and those attitudes create a predisposition for abuse. In Afghanistan, for example, while technically rape is illegal and severely punished, in practice prosecution doesn’t really happen, and women are expected to submit to men.

    Rape in marriage is also not really a thing in e.g. Afghanistan; and wasn’t in Finland either until 1994.

    Culture and attitudes of course have a part in crime. But these statistics make that part seem larger than it is. Furthermore, cultures change, people change, attitudes change; by modern standards, many countries and cultures that nowadays are, relative to others, semi-alright, were pretty awful e.g. 60 years ago.

    Overall, I think refugees should be helped, both by accepting refugees who arrive by their own means and by taking refugees from refugee camps (as well as funding refugee camps and civil infra projects). Finland takes very few people from the camps, compared to the total amount of people gaining an immigrant status annually. That’s just a shame.

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