Zelenskyy: “Let’s be honest now we can’t rule out the possibility that America might say “no” to Europe on issues that threaten it. (…) We must build the armed forces of Europe so that Europe’s future depends only on Europeans.”
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When he is about to say that Ukraine’s military will not be enough to stop Russia, he stumbles, because he knows what this admission means if Europe doesn’t get its act together. It’s heartbreaking in a stoic way.
This is the truth – this serves his needs (yes) but it also serves the needs of Europe – we cannot rely on the US and we need to neutralise the Russian threat. We need to support Ukraine and then make them part of the EU. Sod the US and sod Russia.
[Insert Morgan Freeman ”he’s right you know” meme]
He is absolutely right, there is no alternative – Europe needs to stand on its own feet and not be dependent on anyone, ESPECIALLY militarily.
I wonder how Ukrainians feel now that USA is rapidly turning against them…
I would feel betrayed.
With Europe made weapons and nuclear weapons.
It’s sad what USA has become but it’s sadder that us europeans don’t stick together in time of need. Russia needs to be driven out from Ukraine, not rewarded.
I need to see it to believe it, Zelensky thankfully wants it to happen.
Let’s do it, then!
29 weak, underfunded individual european armies or one big, mean, respected european military force
what is it gonna be Europe?
I think we should try issuing a few more “stern” disapproving statements and then if those don’t work we should start to think of maybe considering taking action by 2047. But let’s not be rash here.
Might say no? They did already, fuck that fascist country. We need to fix Ukraine and then start preparing to liberate the US from it’s fascist dictator ( when their own population finally dees the truth, otherwise its impossible )
We’re so fucking late to come to these conclusions, like 10 years late fucking Christ…
A thing that we know since Georgia, but we choose to ignore. After 2014, it was reality dumb to keep our defense in American hands.
Absolutely. USA is not a friend of Europe anymore.
Et nous sommes prêts à donner nos vies. Slava Ukraini, Slava Europa 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵✊️✊️✊️
Here is the simple truth: USA is gone. They are already de facto gone. At best, we should treat them the same way we treat China. If they help Ukraine, it will be only because Ukraine offered them a good deal on minerals or something like that, and it will be only as long as USA believes to directly materially benefit from such a deal.
We need to stop listening to what Americans say, or caring about what they do, or in any way expecting them to do anything to help Europe except maybe at a high price, and even then they will backstab us at the first opportunity if offered a better deal by someone else.
Trump, Musk, Vance, and everyone who they have appointed to work for them, and everyone who supports them, they are all soulless ghouls who are insanely evil, ignorant, selfish, habitual liars, and have zero sense of any sort of higher ideals like freedom, democracy, honour, solidarity, or friendship. Or even basic rationality and reason.
Edit:
Europe has the wealth and population to be a world power and even a superpower all on its own without relying on anyone else (although we of course want to engage in mutually beneficial trade and agreements with others where possible). We certainly can stand up to fucking Russia with its 1/4 of the population and economy the size of Italy, and help Ukraine defeat them. Even if it requires direct intervention of some sort, although we can already do a lot just by actually being willing to give Ukraine all the equipment we possibly can.
As a first step, European leaders should unequivocally state that our goal in Ukraine is victory, a complete Ukrainian victory with all territory returned, reparations from Russia, the whole package, and that we will do everything in our power to make it so. None of this “as long as it takes” with vague expressions towards some sort of peace. A peace where Russia gets nothing except its right to exist as a state is already better than Russia really deserves.
Word! Let’s get to work and stop wasting time!
This is the only reasonable action to do. Fucking Trump just said that Russia should keep what they “conquered” on last two years. If this is “reasonable” to him, then what stops him from saying the same after Russia attacks east flank of NATO?
Aight, how we getting this done fast without the usual 100 year timeframe for anything we do
Agreed
Yeah! Saddle the horses!
3 years… 3 Years to come to a conclusion and do something. Europe slacked and history is repeating itself… in Munich of all places. Jesus Crist… Dont depend on Capitalistic USA to do decision that will benefit you. Never.
Europe needs to send troops and crush Putin while he is weak. He will only use this negotiation to rebuild his army. With the support to Trump, he will take the East one x one.
This should have been happening from the moment Trump got in the first time, it’s insane that more has not been done to prepare for a known possibility eg. a mad man in the white house. All of our leaders have let us down with diplomatic niceties and blind hope instead of making it clear we don’t need America and if it can’t act like a friend it can fuck off.
I think destiny of Europe shouldn’t be depend on voting of some rural suburbia rednecks with IQ lower room temperature.
Euro leaders knew all that on the first trump term. Zero reaction, head into sand
From a non trump American, I apologize, Ukraine and Europe deserve our full support
this is the truth, we should all want this, and should all support this.
This has been true for the last 25 years but it was so comfortable to rely on others…WAKE UP CALL 🇪🇺
If you end up with a unified european army it will be a L for putin bigger than than finland and sweden joining nato. To keep a rules based order we need guys like putin to get a ton of L’s for even attempting what they did. The idea he might mostly win a war of conquest is shocking
Ironically, the only NATO member that has ever invoked Article 5 (mutual defense) was America after 9/11, yet it was the first to declare that it wouldn’t uphold it for others. I hope you Americans never need help again.
Do you know who, besides NATO countries like the UK and France, responded to the call from outside NATO? It was Ukraine. Not because Ukraine had to. But because it was the right thing to do. Ukraine did it, and Americans messed up with our country more than anyone else.
You should listen to his whole speech it was amazing. He wiped the floor with the bullshitters of the last few days.
He is pretty big on the “we”…….
If we’re honest, a war against Russia is now inevitable and sealed with the slow fall of Ukraine.
Norwegian – and agree fully. With a hostile China, Russia and US, we need to come together and build a strong economic and military alternative based on a liberal world view. The last bastion in the world.
The USA was not built for, nor founded on, isolation. We are fucked.
We need to build more nuclear wepons and station them in every country inside the Eu except for Hungary and slovakia and we need to start now
Too little too late. Europe is finished.
This isn’t a remote possibility, it is the plain reality.
Fully agree. Europe needs to stop sleeping and trusting the US as their elections can completely change the country in a day.
I wonder what would happen if Europe started to cosy up to China instead of US in terms of trade
👏👏👏👏
This man is a hero. I agree Europe needs an army. We can unite and we will. But people forget to mention that one of the most dangerous threats are from countries that mingle with your politics and information to disrupt your economy from the inside out. This is how the US has now lost the battle from the far right. Supported by Russia and other large oligarchs.
USA had been thoroughly compromised.. The world needs to act swiftly.
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