Lovely for the politicians, civil servants and senior officers to look at.
Meanwhile the personnel drain away…
Could pay for a lot of actual personnel with 600m
They’ll need them to go into Dublin city centre these days.
No more RPZ, no more energy credits, none of the temporary budget goodies from last year going to carry on to this year, actual defence force personnel still underpaid, no indication of any of this changing, but the government can whip up over half a billion for AVs in record time.
Given the deteriorating security situation, it seems sensible to invest in arms from manufacturers located in the EU. It sounds like the entire EU is going to be rearming heavily in the next few years, and won’t want to be dependent on other countries.
I heard someone describe Trump recently as like a 19th century imperialist, and the whole European security order is being overturned.
Kinda odd to be investing in armoured vehicles rather than jets or ships we need to police our territory.
Toyota’s?
It gives me enormous comfort to hear we’re investing properly on defense. Listening to the great Zelensky at MSC today, he is right on the money with a bloc wide army being badly needed. The investment in these vehicles shows that the Irish are serious defence of the EU.
Neutrality is a dead duck from a bygone era unfortunately, in modern day Europe it’s a backward looking notion
It seems a lot. I wonder how many units we would be getting. I can’t imagine we’d need more than 100.
I’d like to see the plans for a primary radar and more navy boats capable of intercepting and inspecting every suspicious vessel in our waters. I don’t even think we need jets. I almost think we can wait for unmanned aerial interception and skip manned jets altogether.
How many vehicles? Whats there cost on the open market. We paid 91 million for 32 million worth of helicopters(list price without negotiation bulk purchase)
Should we not be investing in naval and air assets we don’t need a lot of armour..
Because ireland is incapable of defending itself militarily ., the only option is to buy small arms and explosives in bulk distributed thruout the country in dumps to be available for the resistance and guerilla warfare to follow.
Seems they’d be better off using the money for target practice. 600m would be better spent on domestic issues.
Let’s skip all this conventional weapons shit and go straight for nukes. In a multi polar world order with collapsing alliances the only hope for small countries is nukes.
Moar please 🙏
Lads, please grow up.
The US Vice President just spent his speech at the Munich security conference moaning about Greta Thunberg and wokeism in Europe as the “real threat” not the actual fucking invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
We desperately need to join an EU common defense alliance and let me tell you the principal beneficiary from that is Ireland.
Do we have the ability to police our own airspace right now ?
No.
Do we have the ability to police our own waters ?
No.
Both cases we should urgently remediate and let me give you an example of why.
Say Farage actually beats the Tories and Labour @ the next UK election ? Farage Trump and Putin’s toady.
You reckon the Brits will continue to subside our national security interests ? Do they even do it now ?
Who can say.
Iceland, NATO member is set to join the EU. Iceland, population less than county Cork.
WTF are we going on about military neutrality ? We are defenseless and politically/diplomatically isolated as a result in the new vista coming into view.
For the dispelling of doubt that’s an American Empire, a Russian Empire and a Chinese Empire carving the world up.
We’d better wake up to reality and support Europe as a strong entity not just a strong political and diplomatic entity but, a military one too.
So yeah, armoured vehicles, aircraft, ships, the lot.
Things won’t “be grand” just because we wish them to be so.
Being an medium sized island nation can have it’s advantages.
With defensive channels to the east with allies, investment into Air assets like [Saab JAS 39 Gripen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen) and[ Airbus Helicopter platforms](https://www.airbus.com/en/products-services/helicopters/military-helicopters) you could maintain a flexible air superiority with deployment of jets from any small airfield, airport or motorway wide enough and being a small small nation means we could deploy units by air quite quickly to regions as when needed keeping it flexible ( no need for big standing army )
[Surface to Air,Surface & Ship missiles ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBS_15)would be fantastic for taking down any threat inbound from west with defensive deployment in the mountainous regions of Connacht and Munster and keeping “Air Highways” open for military aircraft to relocate Also easy to keep open the Irish sea & Celtic sea open for resupply from said allies.
America has completely destroyed Europe economically, and now we want to waste €600m on armaments for a war which nobody in the country will fight for.
70% of the youth want to leave, who is staying to fight?
No to NATO
Good start. Could do with some anti-missile defense systems in place also. We should be protecting our island and hopefully will never need to use them.
Good
what for? sure if Ivan kicks in the front door, all the schticks can dig up their armalites.
What a tremendous and unconscionable waste of money.
No amount of armoured vehicles will ever protect Ireland against invasion by a powerful military. If Russia wants to invade Ireland, armoured vehicles will not stop them.
Good.
Everyone talking about defence as if it will be our responsibility, the world changes so fast and a 100 years is a blink of an eye in the context of civilisation, stop thinking so short sighted, think of your children’s children
Buy some fucking planes.
We have relied on an assumption that our “Friends” will come to our defence up to now. But with Trump and MAGA in power for the foreseeable future in the US and the likes of Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch or Suella Braverman likely to be part of the next UK government we can no longer rely on that. Even the EU is starting to crumble a little with nationalistic governments on the rise.
It is time to become an adult nation and stop thinking the grown ups will defend us.
About time. Can we get some air defence too while we are at it and not have to depend entirely on the RAF !!
It’s a step in the right direction. The thing about defence is that you need it before you _need_ it.
Half the eggheads in the comments complaining about this kind of spending would respond to a scrap by blowing a whistle and writing an essay on trauma.
We’d be better to begin national service…..training every able bodied person between 15 and 65 in small arms,explosives,intel gathering and counter surveillance
Either we’re serious about defence or we’re working to make overseas arms firms profitable
After the shit storm in Berlin the past few days, this is absolutely necessary. We’re heading for war.
Unbelievable the amount of “Irish” people are suggesting that a tiny island nation with well documented housing, health, and general infrastructure issues should start spending money on expensive military equipment when it would be absolutely steamrolled in any actual engagement. I’d love to know if these bots are Russian or just Lockheed Martin employees.
The army should be investing heavily in drones, as Ukraine has proven they are effective against much larger forces. A handful of armoured vehicles won’t last long should the country find itself in a position where they need to be used.
“Yes, let’s continue you to pour money into our land-based military” said the small island nation.
Focusing on coastal defense would be the best bet I’m guessing, drones also seem to be useful in the current European war without spending the amount of money that would be required to have planes, tanks and helicopters.
Drones and long range missiles are where it’s at for defense.
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Lovely for the politicians, civil servants and senior officers to look at.
Meanwhile the personnel drain away…
Could pay for a lot of actual personnel with 600m
They’ll need them to go into Dublin city centre these days.
No more RPZ, no more energy credits, none of the temporary budget goodies from last year going to carry on to this year, actual defence force personnel still underpaid, no indication of any of this changing, but the government can whip up over half a billion for AVs in record time.
Given the deteriorating security situation, it seems sensible to invest in arms from manufacturers located in the EU. It sounds like the entire EU is going to be rearming heavily in the next few years, and won’t want to be dependent on other countries.
I heard someone describe Trump recently as like a 19th century imperialist, and the whole European security order is being overturned.
Kinda odd to be investing in armoured vehicles rather than jets or ships we need to police our territory.
Toyota’s?
It gives me enormous comfort to hear we’re investing properly on defense. Listening to the great Zelensky at MSC today, he is right on the money with a bloc wide army being badly needed. The investment in these vehicles shows that the Irish are serious defence of the EU.
Neutrality is a dead duck from a bygone era unfortunately, in modern day Europe it’s a backward looking notion
It seems a lot. I wonder how many units we would be getting. I can’t imagine we’d need more than 100.
I’d like to see the plans for a primary radar and more navy boats capable of intercepting and inspecting every suspicious vessel in our waters. I don’t even think we need jets. I almost think we can wait for unmanned aerial interception and skip manned jets altogether.
How many vehicles? Whats there cost on the open market. We paid 91 million for 32 million worth of helicopters(list price without negotiation bulk purchase)
Should we not be investing in naval and air assets we don’t need a lot of armour..
Because ireland is incapable of defending itself militarily ., the only option is to buy small arms and explosives in bulk distributed thruout the country in dumps to be available for the resistance and guerilla warfare to follow.
Seems they’d be better off using the money for target practice. 600m would be better spent on domestic issues.
Let’s skip all this conventional weapons shit and go straight for nukes. In a multi polar world order with collapsing alliances the only hope for small countries is nukes.
Moar please 🙏
Lads, please grow up.
The US Vice President just spent his speech at the Munich security conference moaning about Greta Thunberg and wokeism in Europe as the “real threat” not the actual fucking invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
We desperately need to join an EU common defense alliance and let me tell you the principal beneficiary from that is Ireland.
Do we have the ability to police our own airspace right now ?
No.
Do we have the ability to police our own waters ?
No.
Both cases we should urgently remediate and let me give you an example of why.
Say Farage actually beats the Tories and Labour @ the next UK election ? Farage Trump and Putin’s toady.
You reckon the Brits will continue to subside our national security interests ? Do they even do it now ?
Who can say.
Iceland, NATO member is set to join the EU. Iceland, population less than county Cork.
WTF are we going on about military neutrality ? We are defenseless and politically/diplomatically isolated as a result in the new vista coming into view.
For the dispelling of doubt that’s an American Empire, a Russian Empire and a Chinese Empire carving the world up.
We’d better wake up to reality and support Europe as a strong entity not just a strong political and diplomatic entity but, a military one too.
So yeah, armoured vehicles, aircraft, ships, the lot.
Things won’t “be grand” just because we wish them to be so.
Being an medium sized island nation can have it’s advantages.
With defensive channels to the east with allies, investment into Air assets like [Saab JAS 39 Gripen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen) and[ Airbus Helicopter platforms](https://www.airbus.com/en/products-services/helicopters/military-helicopters) you could maintain a flexible air superiority with deployment of jets from any small airfield, airport or motorway wide enough and being a small small nation means we could deploy units by air quite quickly to regions as when needed keeping it flexible ( no need for big standing army )
[Surface to Air,Surface & Ship missiles ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBS_15)would be fantastic for taking down any threat inbound from west with defensive deployment in the mountainous regions of Connacht and Munster and keeping “Air Highways” open for military aircraft to relocate Also easy to keep open the Irish sea & Celtic sea open for resupply from said allies.
America has completely destroyed Europe economically, and now we want to waste €600m on armaments for a war which nobody in the country will fight for.
70% of the youth want to leave, who is staying to fight?
No to NATO
Good start. Could do with some anti-missile defense systems in place also. We should be protecting our island and hopefully will never need to use them.
Good
what for? sure if Ivan kicks in the front door, all the schticks can dig up their armalites.
What a tremendous and unconscionable waste of money.
No amount of armoured vehicles will ever protect Ireland against invasion by a powerful military. If Russia wants to invade Ireland, armoured vehicles will not stop them.
Good.
Everyone talking about defence as if it will be our responsibility, the world changes so fast and a 100 years is a blink of an eye in the context of civilisation, stop thinking so short sighted, think of your children’s children
Buy some fucking planes.
We have relied on an assumption that our “Friends” will come to our defence up to now. But with Trump and MAGA in power for the foreseeable future in the US and the likes of Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch or Suella Braverman likely to be part of the next UK government we can no longer rely on that. Even the EU is starting to crumble a little with nationalistic governments on the rise.
It is time to become an adult nation and stop thinking the grown ups will defend us.
About time. Can we get some air defence too while we are at it and not have to depend entirely on the RAF !!
It’s a step in the right direction. The thing about defence is that you need it before you _need_ it.
Half the eggheads in the comments complaining about this kind of spending would respond to a scrap by blowing a whistle and writing an essay on trauma.
We’d be better to begin national service…..training every able bodied person between 15 and 65 in small arms,explosives,intel gathering and counter surveillance
Either we’re serious about defence or we’re working to make overseas arms firms profitable
After the shit storm in Berlin the past few days, this is absolutely necessary. We’re heading for war.
Unbelievable the amount of “Irish” people are suggesting that a tiny island nation with well documented housing, health, and general infrastructure issues should start spending money on expensive military equipment when it would be absolutely steamrolled in any actual engagement. I’d love to know if these bots are Russian or just Lockheed Martin employees.
These [https://www.knds.fr/sites/default/files/fichiers-catalogue-produit/VBCI_EN.pdf](https://www.knds.fr/sites/default/files/fichiers-catalogue-produit/VBCI_EN.pdf) ?
We have armored vehicles
They need replacing
This is a nothing burger of a story
The army should be investing heavily in drones, as Ukraine has proven they are effective against much larger forces. A handful of armoured vehicles won’t last long should the country find itself in a position where they need to be used.
“Yes, let’s continue you to pour money into our land-based military” said the small island nation.
Focusing on coastal defense would be the best bet I’m guessing, drones also seem to be useful in the current European war without spending the amount of money that would be required to have planes, tanks and helicopters.
Drones and long range missiles are where it’s at for defense.
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