Unfortunately, I doubt this will happen unless the EU and/orUSA get boots on the ground which is also not likely to happen. The allies are just too afraid of Putin.
and be prosecuted for warcrimes under the Geneva Convention!!! doesn’t anyone in the west care about that?
Damn straight
I’m still hoping that Ukraine gets back all the territory that ruZZia stole. Including Crimea.
Sad to see him writing off Crimea for the orange blob.
“To at least pre-2002 front line”… _so we can even sit and discuss their full withdrawal to the pre-2014 borders…_
These talks are going to end up breaking down. You want the Russians to listen, maximum sanctions or get the Chinese involved.
If they’re seriously considering conceding territory then I hope they knock that bridge down first as a final ‘fuck you’.
Russia can win NOTHING out of this war, or we will be teaching other bastards that it’s OK to invade.
Hell yes. At a minimum. Ukraine must stand and fight until Russia falls and Europe will help no matter how much the careless and lazy Trump wants a craven total surrender to just get it out of his way.
An overwhelming majority of Trump’s top people have pointed out his morbid incompetence at all aspects of foreign policy from Bolton to Barr and Tillerson who did better than I expected honestly. Musk is even worse at playing at any game where he cant just buy the result.
This is what the Trump admin was aiming for: Ukraine to give in on its position of regaining 100% its territorial integrity.
I wish Zelenskyy had not been this explicit as once the ground is given in a public statement it is hard to take it back. This was a diplomatic error on his part, I think caused by being tired along with the immense pressures of governing his nation during a time of war.
AT LEAST!
A very reasonable request.
No!! Ruzzzzzia must withdraw to 1991 borders!!! Ruzzzzzia must pay trillions of dollars to the damage done to Ukraine and its people!!! A 30 kilometer demilitarized zone on Ruzzzzzian territory!!! A war crimes tribunal must be set up!!!
That’s just not happening, we need to be realistic about it.
There is no peace with Russia; there is only victory, or defeat.
Peace is just deferred loss. Russia will see that war means permanent gains in territory and that’s a threat to all of Europe.
Russia can’t be trusted to run a lemonade stand
IMHO, a huge mistake Ukraine made was to, essentially, capitulate when Russia took Crimea in 2014. If Ukraine had gone full-on war over Crimea, even if they lost, I suspect Russia would never have invaded in 2022.
… 2014!!
Let us not be delusional. US has stabbed us in the back. Not only Ukraine but Poland and Baltics and Finland also. Everyone who shares borders with Russia will continue living in fear.
This whole situation is bollox. Not enough is being done to stop Russia, from US and EU. And such lack of actions can result in a war.
Putin wants more than he already got. Z. should not lower the bar below 2014 (meaning 2022). It does not matter what happens in the future. It matters what he says now.
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I.E. get gf out of our country.
Unfortunately, I doubt this will happen unless the EU and/orUSA get boots on the ground which is also not likely to happen. The allies are just too afraid of Putin.
and be prosecuted for warcrimes under the Geneva Convention!!! doesn’t anyone in the west care about that?
Damn straight
I’m still hoping that Ukraine gets back all the territory that ruZZia stole. Including Crimea.
Sad to see him writing off Crimea for the orange blob.
“To at least pre-2002 front line”… _so we can even sit and discuss their full withdrawal to the pre-2014 borders…_
These talks are going to end up breaking down. You want the Russians to listen, maximum sanctions or get the Chinese involved.
If they’re seriously considering conceding territory then I hope they knock that bridge down first as a final ‘fuck you’.
Russia can win NOTHING out of this war, or we will be teaching other bastards that it’s OK to invade.
Hell yes. At a minimum. Ukraine must stand and fight until Russia falls and Europe will help no matter how much the careless and lazy Trump wants a craven total surrender to just get it out of his way.
An overwhelming majority of Trump’s top people have pointed out his morbid incompetence at all aspects of foreign policy from Bolton to Barr and Tillerson who did better than I expected honestly. Musk is even worse at playing at any game where he cant just buy the result.
This is what the Trump admin was aiming for: Ukraine to give in on its position of regaining 100% its territorial integrity.
I wish Zelenskyy had not been this explicit as once the ground is given in a public statement it is hard to take it back. This was a diplomatic error on his part, I think caused by being tired along with the immense pressures of governing his nation during a time of war.
AT LEAST!
A very reasonable request.
No!! Ruzzzzzia must withdraw to 1991 borders!!! Ruzzzzzia must pay trillions of dollars to the damage done to Ukraine and its people!!! A 30 kilometer demilitarized zone on Ruzzzzzian territory!!! A war crimes tribunal must be set up!!!
That’s just not happening, we need to be realistic about it.
There is no peace with Russia; there is only victory, or defeat.
Peace is just deferred loss. Russia will see that war means permanent gains in territory and that’s a threat to all of Europe.
Russia can’t be trusted to run a lemonade stand
IMHO, a huge mistake Ukraine made was to, essentially, capitulate when Russia took Crimea in 2014. If Ukraine had gone full-on war over Crimea, even if they lost, I suspect Russia would never have invaded in 2022.
… 2014!!
Let us not be delusional. US has stabbed us in the back. Not only Ukraine but Poland and Baltics and Finland also. Everyone who shares borders with Russia will continue living in fear.
This whole situation is bollox. Not enough is being done to stop Russia, from US and EU. And such lack of actions can result in a war.
Putin wants more than he already got. Z. should not lower the bar below 2014 (meaning 2022). It does not matter what happens in the future. It matters what he says now.
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