The democratic world will have to get along without America. It may even have to defend itself from it

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-democratic-world-will-have-to-get-along-without-america-it-may/

by BBBWare

42 comments

  2. Ironic that Europe is now the beacon of “freedom and democracy”, after spending most of history screwing up the rest of the world.

  4. They will quickly calm down when the revenue starts to collapse.

  5. It’s fucked up that a washed up reality TV star can become an existential threat.

  6. We need a European Army to defend ourselves. And to deter the Kremlin from ever attacking us again.

  7. 80 years ago they prevented the downfall of the democratic world and today they are making every effort to destroy the democratic world.

  8. Europe needs to lean into its EU Defense ministry. It needs to dive it more operational power and hungry needs to stop block efforts to redistribute funds. The EU is already the largest common market in the World. Combined it has a military that rivals America. The issues is that it’s structure is more of a confederation than a union of states. The more EU can centralize its military and law enforcement powers, the more likely it is to be a major player on the world stage.

  9. Europe should mandate Americans to have to enter the EU with proof of vaccination. Texas is currently seeing its worst outbreak of measles in decades due to anti-vaxxers and the nomination of RFK jr. is only going to exacerbate this disgusting crisis in the United States.

    Edit: I just want to add some sources linked below
    [https://apnews.com/article/measles-texas-mmr-vaccine-homeschooling-b29d08d53cf26704968e8c00dfa712ba](https://apnews.com/article/measles-texas-mmr-vaccine-homeschooling-b29d08d53cf26704968e8c00dfa712ba)
    [http://nbcnews.com/health/health-news/measles-outbreak-west-texas-grows-unvaccinated-rcna192163](http://nbcnews.com/health/health-news/measles-outbreak-west-texas-grows-unvaccinated-rcna192163)

  10. US about to find out voting has consequences. The hard way. 

  12. We need to abandon the whole notion that our entire raisin d’être is to spread democracy to the four corners of the world altogether and start being pragmatic in our interactions with the outside world. Kick out US military installations, create an EU army, deepen our economic relationship with China, be more ruthless in pursuing our interests in general

  13. I don’t wanna see this stupid fucking face for 4 years like I have to avoid any and all news now on the off chance his dumbass face shows up on screen or I even hear his voice. God I hate this man

  16. What about Europe just unite and work on progressive and sustainable goals for the future and let the USA just fucking kill itself?

    Let they do their thing.

  17. This snake-in-the-grass kind-of-story for the USA is both surprising and not at the same time.

  18. You are all getting the Latin America treatment now.

    Take good care of your electoral process, America’s favorite way of exploiting other nations is by overthrowing their democracies from within

  22. The ‘democratic world’ is shrinking rapidly. Even in Europe far right flames are being fanned all over. America is now on the side of those that want to burn is down.

    Elon Musk and the American Vice president both touring Europe and cosying up to far right extremists is crazy but that’s how this year is getting started.

    With a nazi salute and the destruction of the western alliance.

  23. How quickly can we make a new version on EU, without problematic countries and with a voting systems of 80:20 or 67:33? After which we can dissolve the existing union to proceed with tasks in this new world order quicker. Maybe even grow a bit toward United States of Europe. But maybe this is just a silly idea.

  24. Can Americans join a European military service to help stop America if Europe is invaded by America?

  27. Canada has really come together to do their best to boycott anything USA. 🇨🇦

  29. That’s right no more taking advantage of the United States

  30. I think Americans should have to obtain a visa to enter into Canada. It would require proof of vaccination for a whole host of diseases.

  31. As a blue American stuck in a red state.  Please trust me when I say Trump and his current administration want one thing and that is complete destruction and to loot the remains.  I was too young to vote when my state when from purple to red and kept in trying to change things but at most got the city to be purple.  Once in power they will remove everything that benefits the people and loot it to the ground.  We want from being in the top 20 schools to being near the bottom in less than 20 years.  They are liars and want only to take everything for themselves!

  32. I’m a first generation American, my grandparents are from Poland, Portugal and Brasil. It. Is. Insane. Here. My children are grown now and I worry so much for their safety and future with this increasingly christofascist movement taking over the US. I am looking to leave as it is increasingly becoming menacing environment similar to 1933-35. Half of my family are very concerned while the other half have become enmeshed within the trump cult. It’s disgusting considering half of our family were actually war refugees from a fascist regime.

    I’m very glad that Canada is boycotting American products, vacations and booing the US anthem at sporting event! It’s going to be painful for many here before it gets better. Other countries need to do the same. It is only through these painful lessons that the stupidity here will ever learn. Telling them they will burn their hands doesn’t work, time to let them burn.

  33. It very much seems that Trump is selling out Ukraine. Russia take the land they captured. Trump takes access to minerals (“as a security guarantee”). Similar to the amazing peace deal he signed in the Middle East which I’m sure came with some back hand deal with Israel to allow trump to build a riviera!

    I’m curious how my fellow Europeans feel? If this is true then it feels like an outright attack on democracy and Europe. Ukraine fought to escape the Soviet union and to have the right to self determination. They have kept Russia at bay and defended Europe and democracy bravely. They are one of us! If America sell them out then surely it is time for Europe to make a stand and guarantee security to Ukraine. I’m Irish and I think we need to end our neutrality and stand shoulder to shoulder with Europe, the UK and those who will defend democracy and freedom because America won’t. This feels like a pivotal moment, one where we need to show unity and strength and stand up to the cowards and bullys that are dictating what happens to our continent and friends. I’m curious what the response will be from the emergency summit on Monday, but do others also feel they need to come out with a strong response?

  34. The democratic world is currently imploding in on itself.

  36. It’s sad, but probably true. Musk is attempting to interfere with European elections, and it’s going to get much worse.

    That’s why Europe, and every other country/community that is being threatened by the American government, must take very hard measures whenever they’re threatened.

    DO NOT try to appease them. If they so much as threaten 30% tariffs, implement 60% tariffs. If they implement 30% tariffs, implement 90% tariffs. Let’s hope America can defeat the fascism it has embraced.

  37. Canada here. Do you have any of those EU members lying around? We have a land border with your friend Demark if that helps.

  38. At the very least EU relationship with America needs to be severely diminished and put on hold. It’s clear that they are Russia’s ally and in many ways just Russia 2.0. Europe needs to form its own army built by its own weapons systems and naturally form alliances with other states. Mexico, Panama and Canada first come to mind, but effectively we need to decouple from the Americans to a vast degree. They are to be recognized for what they are – an enemy of Europe.

  40. I’m having flashbacks to the 1930’s with the Austrian Painter and all.

  41. Hey guys, Canadian here. Can we join? It’s kind of scary being over here all alone next to the meth lab

  42. Fellow europeans, please, calm the fucking down!

    Humanity will have no benefit fragmenting itself, europe and usa together can bring humanity to new horizons and improve society for the future to come. Technology, science, everything is better when the best minds of the world cooperate.

    Division is just so fucking dumb I’m ashamed of even reading all of this

Comments are closed.