Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks in Saudi Arabia, source says
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm292319gr2o
Posted by netsheriff
Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks in Saudi Arabia, source says
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm292319gr2o
Posted by netsheriff
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The senile insanity of trump is a virus that is starting to affect all of the US.
Ukraine should be involved in all aspects of negotiations.
Not doing that is appeasing Putin. It pretty much shows Putin is trump’s puppet master.
why would Trump want Zelensky or the EU there? It’s perfectly clear they’re happy to go down burning when Trump wants to completely withdraw to re-focus on China in the Pacific; if they’re invited its just going to be more “as long as it takes”, “Ukraine will be part of NATO/EU”, etc.
the facade is being pulled away, and in the end the only 2 countries that mattered in this conflict was the US and Russia.
These are the preliminary talks aimed at arranging a summit between Trump, Putin, and Zelensky. I don’t see the issue here.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but they don’t need to be there because they are unable to alter the outcome. Should they be there? Yeah. Need they be there? Nah.
If the US says that they are unilaterally pulling out of supporting Ukraine, will agree to veto Ukraine’s ascension to NATO for 50 years, and recognizes Russia’s sovereign position of taken land, in exchange for something from Russia (i.e. alliance against China, cheap oil export, access to the rare minerals in the former eastern Ukraine, and maybe the Indian defense market), what’s Ukraine going to do?
It’s a terrible situation, but honestly Ukraine has nearly no leverage on Trump whatsoever. They can try to pin continental Europe against the US but that might be all it has got.
The only reason that Russia is in this war for as long as they have is *because* of NATO’s backing. Ukraine does not have the capability to deter Russia without NATO.
Trump will give Putin the whole of Ukraine in return for a Trump tower in Moscow and a Trump golf course in Crimea. No need for the Europeans and Ukrainians to be there for that. Hopefully this will piss off the Europeans enough to gear up for when Trump pulls the US out of NATO.
Trump will 100% throw Ukraine under the bus if he can get to say “I ended the war”
It’s not Ukraine-Russia peace talks. It’s US-Russia reconciliation.
Ukraine and Europe have too much skin in the game to come to an agreement that Putin will accept. Trump wants a foreign policy win and he wants out of Europe. Putin knows this is the best deal he’ll get.
Plus, in IR terms, Trump and Putin are both realists whereas the Europeans are all liberalists. They don’t speak the same language.
this has the chance of putting the US off the board. what a weird decision.
Zelensky accepted the US proxy role, part of it means negotiating through them.
Still unpopular here but Ukraine would’ve been better off negotiating with Putin when Russia was still struggling militarily, there was a peak leverage moment and zelensky missed it
So Trump want to do another Vietnam and Afghanistan?
This is speed running the loss of Superpower status for the U.S.
Regardless of the Armistice that will be agreed to, without harnessing the agreement of both the Ukrainians and the Russians fighting the conflict, the agreement will fail.
A Ukrainian who thinks the Russian peace will bring Bucha to his town will continue to fight. Regardless of the decisions made in the desert.
Too many western politicians seem to forget that war has a life of its own once started, has a life of its own. This here three day special military operation is now in its 1088th day.
Hegseth can demand it. So can Lavrov. So can Rubio.
If the Ukrainians don’t agree, the war will continue.
And Russia hasn’t even gotten to the hard part yet.
Edited- per speed running superpower status loss – as the Americans commit to, and do silly things, like Vance’s speech, and Hegseth’s tour, they’re losing a substantial amount of credibility, and will continue to do so as these agreements fail.
Trump saying they won, when there’s an active conflict still raging will be his mission accomplished moment.
Can Trump or if Harris won even influence US foreign policy on a personal level? Seems too easy blaming the president like a cop-out for US interests.
Ukraine will be taken over by Russia, just like Israel will abolish Palestine
It can’t be more obvious. Everything Trump does is an attempt to normalize or aid Putin.
Trump negotiating separately with Putin is a waste of time.
Any peace deal with does not involve either Ukraine joining NATO, being given its own nuclear deter ant, or getting its land back will be rejected by Ukraine and they’ll fight on with European backing.
The US may pull out of the war entirely, and Russia may gain more ground, but Europe will continue to back them and I don’t think Russia has the capability to entirely conquer Ukraine with European financial support and military aid,
The war would likely continue, with bridges between Europe and America severed and end the Euro-American alliance which has has until now ensured Western dominance in world affairs.
Ukraine is the USAs proxy. This is the cost of that deal.
This is the multipolar world kicking in real-time. The EU’s security project was only possible because the U.S. allowed it, and now that permission is being revoked. Europe will either adapt to self-defense realities or splinter into individual national security strategies. Either way, the dream of an EU superstate just took a massive hit.
This is just terrible. What a shameful time to be American.
If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu
not a peace talk then
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