Tldr about this article: The ukraine Embassy asked if Zelenzkyj could have a speach to the people demonstrating in Bern. He talked about how greatful he is for all the support from everyone and ( even though not directly) about the stubborness of Nestle.
Why i am posting this is because when i looked at the comments i was shocked of how the people react. The frist comment as exaple asked this: ” could also listen to putins perspective about this?” And it only gets worse.
I slowly start to doupt my own nationality because of people like these, we are suppost to stay neutral yes, but thats a whole different situation. This isn’t a war or invation. Its a massacre and i feel sorry for the people of ukraine. Seeing people not caring about this just hurts.
If by “people” you mean “Nau readers”, then probably yes. But it’d be helpful if you provided a few examples of “delusional” comments.
Personally, I think it’s a mixture between disinformation, bitterness and the desire to be against everything the mainstream believes in.
To underline my last point, you can see somewhat of an overlap between radical antivaxxers and Putin supporters.
Lots of people are just not smart.
Others just used to look for ‘other news’ and then watch Russia Today and think they are informed now…
I guess it is again the same thing as with Covid news and opinions – some poeple are just reaaaally far out there…
I read an article on the weekend about a father defending not wearing a helmet when riding the bike with his kids.
There were people praising him for his decision and saying that it’s great that he is fighting for his freedom and rights???
But as most of the time this is just a very vocal minority.
Nau.ch is notorious for having the worst comments on earth…..thinking about it, is the comment section there unmoderated??
This video on Youtube explains very well how trolls manipulate and spread disinformation: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYkEqDp760](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYkEqDp760)
Troll accounts are quite easy to detect because their comments contain short, hateful, polemic statements on a low cognitive level. They are usually repetitive and just wait for the next idiots to parrot them. This creates an avalanche and within minutes, the level of cognitive complexity of comments drop, making any civil discussion impossible.
No tsupprising with nau, i mean their political agenda becomes apparent immediately.
20min, blick and a lot of other online media are just full of fake news trolls and payed russian propaganda idiots. But they are also a lot of idiots who believe their fake news. Most anti vaxxer are pro putin, because they consum just the rt propaganda news and think they are real. Sometimes i mentions these Kremlin backed trolls in the comments and then i got a kot of thumbs down.
Bots and corona schwurbler
People that post in such comment sections have probably already been banned from every social media platform, and the comments section of various news venues is what they have left. If they lose this they will be holding a poster in front of the local train station shouting at random people. Add to those crazy people some general trolls, some Russian trolls, some Ukrainian trolls, and you get what you see.
The spelling of his name seems to change every week
You just needed another villian for your history books. You can think you’re morally in the right here, but anyone with half a brain who watched the Munich speech of Putin in 2007 knows exactly what this is about and what’s at stake here.
You can hate or like him, but everything came true just as he said it would, and not because he’s a prophet, but because the West stayed the West.
Fuck war. Didn’t any of you scream around hysterically when Poroshenko was bombing eastern Ukraine? The one Zelensky wanted to arrest but is no buddying up with again? No? Then why are you screaming now?
Ukraine has been saying it’s at war with us since 2014. So why are you guys whining now like the previous 8 years didn’t exist. They also said they’ll “put those Muscovites on spears!” Where’s the “patriotism” now!? That’s right, the political establishment of Ukr was the first to fuck off from Kiev: “Lets show them how strong our keyboard fingers are!” And the normal folk is just left to get hyped and die for the joke of a “president.” Are you guys seriously so *** as to not notice the green screen on his last outside speech? Pumped up with medicals, western puppet sitting in Poland, gasing up his people while acting in front of the camera and not fighting there himself. Just giving out bags of weapons to civilians and children alike. Ridiculous.
Do not believe in comments from the Nau.ch comments section. Most of them are russian trolls paid for by the russian government. You can clearly see that most comments are paid for by alt right trumpist SVP idiots and some are posting multiple comments with different but similar usernames.
Its funny that its normal now to be racist against Russians, when for the last 10 years every media, all of hollywood are bashing the: “be open and dont judge and diversity our strenght” into our heads on a daily but somehow, bashing Vladimir is okay. INSANE.
I cant read comments in swiss newspapers anymore.
The amount of “I dont care. Its their problem. I got problems too” comments is overwhelming.
I don’t find them shocking at all. It’s the internet.
People even after more than 20 years having internet did not learn that you can wrote what you like and be what you want… You can’t shit in front of the doors of your neighbor because he’s asocial and cut wood at 7.00 on Saturday / Sunday… But you can piss off many people and compensate your internal Frustration/pain saying the opposite than others like on the internet… like saying Corona does not exist, Putin is hero or whenever you have in your mind (you can mean it or not and it does not actually matter)…. Of course you have bright spots somewhere and people having normal civilized discussion – say opinion, get reaction with proper reaction, but that’s what majority of people are not looking for.
Worst is always “moderated” which means Censored content.
And as shocking I would mark content of Russian national TV the propaganda brainwashing – when they saying how they will seed grass in LVOV – because there will be no city anymore… Or why nobody actually do aggressive politics on daily basis and negotiate something.. If Anyone from politicians have broken Phone/Car he want to have it fixed immediately.. If somewhere dyeing people we can schedule meeting for next week.
In the end people having feeling that killing of others is normal because life have no value but Fuel is expensive. /s
Och i dont know many people are just salty how the media gave up its role to inform and started to assist in one sided propaganda.
For example it could be that a reason for the war was that the minsk agreement was ignored by ukrain bombing the area since a few years now…
Or the oil we found there and in crimea in 2013…
While shortly after a EU/US supported putch placed a pro western president there and we keep on helping ukrain ever since quelling the disidents with media.
So much is atm not talked about. it is all “pro defense war” propaganda. And zelinski is great in Public relations.
Jet our media tells us nothing about how the people who went there to assist in combat are treated and what missions they are used for.
We will see in 3 years how much we were lied to and by whom 😉
But 90% here will not even read those things and just japing after the next big story profeted by the media to earn that sweet green.
(No i am not pro russia, i just never believed that in war any side can be called the good side)
The comment section is made by people from Serbia. Fear not my mates, soon NATO will visit that shithole again
The 20minutes website (ro), the facebook comments of 24 heures, Le Temps, RTS, etc are all invaded by trolls, completely stupid. retarded people who live in an alternative reality in which they think they are the majority (no need to specify that they understand nothing of the situations they criticize). It’s always the same accounts / profiles, there is 0 moderation.
CLICK = MONEY
Solution: stop reading / answering the comments. Best, stop reading those shitpapers.
May the 20 Minutes and similar shitpapers go bankrupt
Pro-tip: do not read comments on [Nau.ch](https://Nau.ch). If you’re not convinced after this article, just pick one about Covid measures, any one at random, and read the first five comments.
Lahta bots are going international
r/QAnonCasualties
r/Qult_Headquarters
Honestsly, everything is about those f-ing Qultist and the dumb dumb believers on social media. Those 2 subs are quite helpfull for understanding, or just making fun of them.
It is a disease and needs to be understood as one, conspirationnists seeking medical help are treated the same way we heal people escaping sects.
Also, the Qanon movement came from 4chan then 8chan. If you don’t know those sites, it’s basically a sometime fun/sometimes hell hole filled with trolls.
Some were cool and fun, like ruining a Nestle contest by giving only shit names to products, or make XXX media tell that fake story by producing enough momentum.
It worked, then came the Q troll « hey let’s make people believe this story about a pizza place, politicians in DC and children ».
Then came alien gouvernement, new world order and Trump is a saviour etc etc, but it all came from the same energy: let’s see if we can make stupid people do stupid things.
Guess what, it worked.
It worked so well it became too big to be controlled. We, Internet, created a monster.
Reddit Juso, 20min SVP, nau what?
Being so butthurt about a comment section is really cute
Every comment section brings out the most radical people to voice their opinions, 20min is a type of sensationalist journalism, like most news outlets these days, it’s common for the comments to contain stuff those same people would not say in person
Interesting how Russian trolls and their allies scream about “Free Speech” while JUST calling the Russian invasion of Ukraine a WAR will land you in prison for 15 years in Russia. 🙄
Dont worry, many of those are dumb, some might even be officially diagnosed ppl with mental issues (no offense, but some of the most racist casual hatespeech I encountered at places for “ppl with special needs”, it was very sad to see but I dont judge them, and ofc not all are the same!).
I’m from China. Trust me, people can be so very delusional that you cannot imagine in a hundred years.
Thing is: its quite easy to write fake comments on nau.ch. All it takes is a simple http post request
Like a left-leaning (good) rap band once said: “Online-Kommentarschriber si mönschlich behinderet”, or “online-comment-writers are humanly disabled”. The nau-readers are really the worst minority out there.
Come on. You know people who have anger and fear, whatever their political or delusional views, will share them where they get their « news », whether it’s an actual social media or the bottom of a newspaper.
I *never* watch the comment section; I’d have to bleach my eyes far too often.
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Tldr about this article: The ukraine Embassy asked if Zelenzkyj could have a speach to the people demonstrating in Bern. He talked about how greatful he is for all the support from everyone and ( even though not directly) about the stubborness of Nestle.
Why i am posting this is because when i looked at the comments i was shocked of how the people react. The frist comment as exaple asked this: ” could also listen to putins perspective about this?” And it only gets worse.
I slowly start to doupt my own nationality because of people like these, we are suppost to stay neutral yes, but thats a whole different situation. This isn’t a war or invation. Its a massacre and i feel sorry for the people of ukraine. Seeing people not caring about this just hurts.
Link to the article: https://www.nau.ch/?utm_campaign=amp&utm_source=header_image
If by “people” you mean “Nau readers”, then probably yes. But it’d be helpful if you provided a few examples of “delusional” comments.
Personally, I think it’s a mixture between disinformation, bitterness and the desire to be against everything the mainstream believes in.
To underline my last point, you can see somewhat of an overlap between radical antivaxxers and Putin supporters.
Lots of people are just not smart.
Others just used to look for ‘other news’ and then watch Russia Today and think they are informed now…
I guess it is again the same thing as with Covid news and opinions – some poeple are just reaaaally far out there…
I read an article on the weekend about a father defending not wearing a helmet when riding the bike with his kids.
There were people praising him for his decision and saying that it’s great that he is fighting for his freedom and rights???
But as most of the time this is just a very vocal minority.
Nau.ch is notorious for having the worst comments on earth…..thinking about it, is the comment section there unmoderated??
It’s fair to assume that this article had been invaded by Russian trolls to manipulate opinions. Amherd even warned the public in the press: [https://wil24.ch/articles/115748-amherd-warnt-vor-manipulierten-kommentaren](https://wil24.ch/articles/115748-amherd-warnt-vor-manipulierten-kommentaren)
This video on Youtube explains very well how trolls manipulate and spread disinformation: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYkEqDp760](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYkEqDp760)
Troll accounts are quite easy to detect because their comments contain short, hateful, polemic statements on a low cognitive level. They are usually repetitive and just wait for the next idiots to parrot them. This creates an avalanche and within minutes, the level of cognitive complexity of comments drop, making any civil discussion impossible.
No tsupprising with nau, i mean their political agenda becomes apparent immediately.
20min, blick and a lot of other online media are just full of fake news trolls and payed russian propaganda idiots. But they are also a lot of idiots who believe their fake news. Most anti vaxxer are pro putin, because they consum just the rt propaganda news and think they are real. Sometimes i mentions these Kremlin backed trolls in the comments and then i got a kot of thumbs down.
Bots and corona schwurbler
People that post in such comment sections have probably already been banned from every social media platform, and the comments section of various news venues is what they have left. If they lose this they will be holding a poster in front of the local train station shouting at random people. Add to those crazy people some general trolls, some Russian trolls, some Ukrainian trolls, and you get what you see.
The spelling of his name seems to change every week
You just needed another villian for your history books. You can think you’re morally in the right here, but anyone with half a brain who watched the Munich speech of Putin in 2007 knows exactly what this is about and what’s at stake here.
You can hate or like him, but everything came true just as he said it would, and not because he’s a prophet, but because the West stayed the West.
Fuck war. Didn’t any of you scream around hysterically when Poroshenko was bombing eastern Ukraine? The one Zelensky wanted to arrest but is no buddying up with again? No? Then why are you screaming now?
Ukraine has been saying it’s at war with us since 2014. So why are you guys whining now like the previous 8 years didn’t exist. They also said they’ll “put those Muscovites on spears!” Where’s the “patriotism” now!? That’s right, the political establishment of Ukr was the first to fuck off from Kiev: “Lets show them how strong our keyboard fingers are!” And the normal folk is just left to get hyped and die for the joke of a “president.” Are you guys seriously so *** as to not notice the green screen on his last outside speech? Pumped up with medicals, western puppet sitting in Poland, gasing up his people while acting in front of the camera and not fighting there himself. Just giving out bags of weapons to civilians and children alike. Ridiculous.
Do not believe in comments from the Nau.ch comments section. Most of them are russian trolls paid for by the russian government. You can clearly see that most comments are paid for by alt right trumpist SVP idiots and some are posting multiple comments with different but similar usernames.
Its funny that its normal now to be racist against Russians, when for the last 10 years every media, all of hollywood are bashing the: “be open and dont judge and diversity our strenght” into our heads on a daily but somehow, bashing Vladimir is okay. INSANE.
I cant read comments in swiss newspapers anymore.
The amount of “I dont care. Its their problem. I got problems too” comments is overwhelming.
I don’t find them shocking at all. It’s the internet.
People even after more than 20 years having internet did not learn that you can wrote what you like and be what you want… You can’t shit in front of the doors of your neighbor because he’s asocial and cut wood at 7.00 on Saturday / Sunday… But you can piss off many people and compensate your internal Frustration/pain saying the opposite than others like on the internet… like saying Corona does not exist, Putin is hero or whenever you have in your mind (you can mean it or not and it does not actually matter)…. Of course you have bright spots somewhere and people having normal civilized discussion – say opinion, get reaction with proper reaction, but that’s what majority of people are not looking for.
Worst is always “moderated” which means Censored content.
And as shocking I would mark content of Russian national TV the propaganda brainwashing – when they saying how they will seed grass in LVOV – because there will be no city anymore… Or why nobody actually do aggressive politics on daily basis and negotiate something.. If Anyone from politicians have broken Phone/Car he want to have it fixed immediately.. If somewhere dyeing people we can schedule meeting for next week.
In the end people having feeling that killing of others is normal because life have no value but Fuel is expensive. /s
Och i dont know many people are just salty how the media gave up its role to inform and started to assist in one sided propaganda.
For example it could be that a reason for the war was that the minsk agreement was ignored by ukrain bombing the area since a few years now…
Or the oil we found there and in crimea in 2013…
While shortly after a EU/US supported putch placed a pro western president there and we keep on helping ukrain ever since quelling the disidents with media.
So much is atm not talked about. it is all “pro defense war” propaganda. And zelinski is great in Public relations.
Jet our media tells us nothing about how the people who went there to assist in combat are treated and what missions they are used for.
We will see in 3 years how much we were lied to and by whom 😉
But 90% here will not even read those things and just japing after the next big story profeted by the media to earn that sweet green.
(No i am not pro russia, i just never believed that in war any side can be called the good side)
The comment section is made by people from Serbia. Fear not my mates, soon NATO will visit that shithole again
The 20minutes website (ro), the facebook comments of 24 heures, Le Temps, RTS, etc are all invaded by trolls, completely stupid. retarded people who live in an alternative reality in which they think they are the majority (no need to specify that they understand nothing of the situations they criticize). It’s always the same accounts / profiles, there is 0 moderation.
CLICK = MONEY
Solution: stop reading / answering the comments. Best, stop reading those shitpapers.
May the 20 Minutes and similar shitpapers go bankrupt
Pro-tip: do not read comments on [Nau.ch](https://Nau.ch). If you’re not convinced after this article, just pick one about Covid measures, any one at random, and read the first five comments.
Lahta bots are going international
r/QAnonCasualties
r/Qult_Headquarters
Honestsly, everything is about those f-ing Qultist and the dumb dumb believers on social media. Those 2 subs are quite helpfull for understanding, or just making fun of them.
It is a disease and needs to be understood as one, conspirationnists seeking medical help are treated the same way we heal people escaping sects.
Also, the Qanon movement came from 4chan then 8chan. If you don’t know those sites, it’s basically a sometime fun/sometimes hell hole filled with trolls.
Some were cool and fun, like ruining a Nestle contest by giving only shit names to products, or make XXX media tell that fake story by producing enough momentum.
It worked, then came the Q troll « hey let’s make people believe this story about a pizza place, politicians in DC and children ».
Then came alien gouvernement, new world order and Trump is a saviour etc etc, but it all came from the same energy: let’s see if we can make stupid people do stupid things.
Guess what, it worked.
It worked so well it became too big to be controlled. We, Internet, created a monster.
Reddit Juso, 20min SVP, nau what?
Being so butthurt about a comment section is really cute
Every comment section brings out the most radical people to voice their opinions, 20min is a type of sensationalist journalism, like most news outlets these days, it’s common for the comments to contain stuff those same people would not say in person
Interesting how Russian trolls and their allies scream about “Free Speech” while JUST calling the Russian invasion of Ukraine a WAR will land you in prison for 15 years in Russia. 🙄
Dont worry, many of those are dumb, some might even be officially diagnosed ppl with mental issues (no offense, but some of the most racist casual hatespeech I encountered at places for “ppl with special needs”, it was very sad to see but I dont judge them, and ofc not all are the same!).
I’m from China. Trust me, people can be so very delusional that you cannot imagine in a hundred years.
Thing is: its quite easy to write fake comments on nau.ch. All it takes is a simple http post request
Like a left-leaning (good) rap band once said: “Online-Kommentarschriber si mönschlich behinderet”, or “online-comment-writers are humanly disabled”. The nau-readers are really the worst minority out there.
Come on. You know people who have anger and fear, whatever their political or delusional views, will share them where they get their « news », whether it’s an actual social media or the bottom of a newspaper.
I *never* watch the comment section; I’d have to bleach my eyes far too often.