This changes everything:
“L’expert est donc plus pessimiste que Thomas Süssli, le chef de l’Armée suisse. Celui-ci avait récemment laissé entendre dans une interview qu’avec les moyens actuels «la fin n’arriverait qu’après quelques semaines».”
But anyway, Russia is kinda far, who’s going to attack? Austria?
Budget cuts since the end of the Cold War.
I can’t say it wasn’t a good idea, as there really wasn’t a threat in Europe for a very long time.
I’m not sure Russia really is a threat even today, but there is probably a need to really think about modernization of the armee to meet future needs in a potentially less stable Europe.
Just my opinion, of course. I’m a little disturbed that I am sort of in agreement with zwanzig minuten. What’s next, garden gnomes and reporting my neighbor’s trash violations?
It’s never been there, look at how the COVID got dealt with
We don’t have a regular military force though, not like Ukraine or Poland. We have a militia based system, which is not comparable 1:1. Also no “force de frappe” because we don’t “frappe”.
Also I think we are moving away from the M11~~1~~3 (which went through multiple upgrade programs) to the Swedish IFV export.
Nothing new under the sun
>Where has the legendary excellence and efficiency of Switzerland gone?
I’ve never seen any of that efficiency.
I’m working in the private sector since 2008 and have to deal with so much inefficency and incompetence that I constantly ask myself if our reputation is based on other countries being even worse then wa are or if it’s just a national delusion.
Suuuuure. Because of old material…
Not because we have an incompetent militia lol.
Crazy how the right is already using the war in Ukraine to push their agenda.
Sold to China.
Propaganda. This has the military industrial complex written all over it.
The funny little trick no one mentions is when a member joins NATO there’s a minimum requirement of arms and military equipment required to be purchase by the joining member. It’s about sales of weapons, not protecting the member.
I’m American and living and working in Switzerland and it’s sad to see how far the reach of DC (who are just puppets of the military industrial complex that owns them. The US almost spends 1 trillion EVERY YEAR on military spend and the US Congress on both political parties never disagree on military spend which is odd because when they disagree on the smallest thing I see all over the Swiss news).
This article does nothing but fear mongering that apparently some evil doer will march in and I wouldn’t be surprised if extreme propaganda peddlers would conjure imagery of the Rape of Nanjing to really drive it home.
It was very curious for me to see the public vote on purchasing military planes when that happened. This expert Albert Stahel is a warmonger saying Switzerland would fall after days when later in the article the head of the Swiss army said it would take weeks. Where is this expert getting his information then? And like it is in America, if this expert is so upset then do your part and join the military and fight full time. Why must others fight your battle?
This Dominik Knill is also a warmonger too. Asking for more money for food and equipment. That’s so vague I’m not even sure what that means. If Russia invaded Switzerland because of the sanctions and supporting kicking them out of the SWIFT system the country will defend itself because the Swiss military gets an extra ration of fondue?
>Where has the legendary excellence and efficiency of Switzerland gone?
There has never been such a thing.
If you have served in the Swiss Army you know that this organization is not really up to the task. I think budget cuts is not the main thing. It’s embezzlement and old Betönköpfe in the high ranks.
Where all legends go … into the dense fogs of barely believable mythologies.
it’s a “legend”
Who is going to attack? Well if you believe Reddit, and places like r/Europe, we should have been split up between France, Germany and Italy the second day we did not impose sanctions against Russia, neutrality be damned. With friends like these who needs Russians.
The end of a pandemic, the rise of Notionalism worldwide, the attack of Russian, prompting countries to spend more in their Army. Higher gap between rich and poor.
I really hope we will not be told to “fight for our nation” in the short future.
“military says we should give more money to military”
right. of course.
we fell off, bois 😔
I think it’s all relative – there are areas where we remain astoundingly efficient compared to other countries, we just grow accustomed to it and expect that as standard so we don’t notice it.
Trains are one of the easiest examples. Are we the absolute best? No. But for a network as extensive as ours and with the frequency we have, our trains are generally on time and run well and efficiently. Any quick trip to Italy for example serves as a quick reminder or a trip through France where the fastest route by train involves a roundabout itinerary through Paris.
That being said, to the core question, I think we’ve also lost a lot of *relative* efficiency as technology has advanced and increasingly been taken on by other countries in various fora and areas we’ve been less willing or less adept to utilise them. I think COVID actually helped advance a lot of progress on digitalisation of processes that used to require you to fill out paper forms and appear in person for something that could’ve been an online form but obviously still a lot of room run.
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This changes everything:
“L’expert est donc plus pessimiste que Thomas Süssli, le chef de l’Armée suisse. Celui-ci avait récemment laissé entendre dans une interview qu’avec les moyens actuels «la fin n’arriverait qu’après quelques semaines».”
But anyway, Russia is kinda far, who’s going to attack? Austria?
Budget cuts since the end of the Cold War.
I can’t say it wasn’t a good idea, as there really wasn’t a threat in Europe for a very long time.
I’m not sure Russia really is a threat even today, but there is probably a need to really think about modernization of the armee to meet future needs in a potentially less stable Europe.
Just my opinion, of course. I’m a little disturbed that I am sort of in agreement with zwanzig minuten. What’s next, garden gnomes and reporting my neighbor’s trash violations?
It’s never been there, look at how the COVID got dealt with
We don’t have a regular military force though, not like Ukraine or Poland. We have a militia based system, which is not comparable 1:1. Also no “force de frappe” because we don’t “frappe”.
Also I think we are moving away from the M11~~1~~3 (which went through multiple upgrade programs) to the Swedish IFV export.
Nothing new under the sun
>Where has the legendary excellence and efficiency of Switzerland gone?
I’ve never seen any of that efficiency.
I’m working in the private sector since 2008 and have to deal with so much inefficency and incompetence that I constantly ask myself if our reputation is based on other countries being even worse then wa are or if it’s just a national delusion.
Suuuuure. Because of old material…
Not because we have an incompetent militia lol.
Crazy how the right is already using the war in Ukraine to push their agenda.
Sold to China.
Propaganda. This has the military industrial complex written all over it.
The funny little trick no one mentions is when a member joins NATO there’s a minimum requirement of arms and military equipment required to be purchase by the joining member. It’s about sales of weapons, not protecting the member.
I’m American and living and working in Switzerland and it’s sad to see how far the reach of DC (who are just puppets of the military industrial complex that owns them. The US almost spends 1 trillion EVERY YEAR on military spend and the US Congress on both political parties never disagree on military spend which is odd because when they disagree on the smallest thing I see all over the Swiss news).
This article does nothing but fear mongering that apparently some evil doer will march in and I wouldn’t be surprised if extreme propaganda peddlers would conjure imagery of the Rape of Nanjing to really drive it home.
It was very curious for me to see the public vote on purchasing military planes when that happened. This expert Albert Stahel is a warmonger saying Switzerland would fall after days when later in the article the head of the Swiss army said it would take weeks. Where is this expert getting his information then? And like it is in America, if this expert is so upset then do your part and join the military and fight full time. Why must others fight your battle?
This Dominik Knill is also a warmonger too. Asking for more money for food and equipment. That’s so vague I’m not even sure what that means. If Russia invaded Switzerland because of the sanctions and supporting kicking them out of the SWIFT system the country will defend itself because the Swiss military gets an extra ration of fondue?
>Where has the legendary excellence and efficiency of Switzerland gone?
There has never been such a thing.
If you have served in the Swiss Army you know that this organization is not really up to the task. I think budget cuts is not the main thing. It’s embezzlement and old Betönköpfe in the high ranks.
Where all legends go … into the dense fogs of barely believable mythologies.
it’s a “legend”
Who is going to attack? Well if you believe Reddit, and places like r/Europe, we should have been split up between France, Germany and Italy the second day we did not impose sanctions against Russia, neutrality be damned. With friends like these who needs Russians.
The end of a pandemic, the rise of Notionalism worldwide, the attack of Russian, prompting countries to spend more in their Army. Higher gap between rich and poor.
I really hope we will not be told to “fight for our nation” in the short future.
“military says we should give more money to military”
right. of course.
we fell off, bois 😔
I think it’s all relative – there are areas where we remain astoundingly efficient compared to other countries, we just grow accustomed to it and expect that as standard so we don’t notice it.
Trains are one of the easiest examples. Are we the absolute best? No. But for a network as extensive as ours and with the frequency we have, our trains are generally on time and run well and efficiently. Any quick trip to Italy for example serves as a quick reminder or a trip through France where the fastest route by train involves a roundabout itinerary through Paris.
That being said, to the core question, I think we’ve also lost a lot of *relative* efficiency as technology has advanced and increasingly been taken on by other countries in various fora and areas we’ve been less willing or less adept to utilise them. I think COVID actually helped advance a lot of progress on digitalisation of processes that used to require you to fill out paper forms and appear in person for something that could’ve been an online form but obviously still a lot of room run.