The people whose job it is to establish public policy have made it clear that children should be an expensive luxury, and this is the consequence of that. So I would suggest that this is intentional and not a crisis.
If we want to keep the billionaires of the world in the manner to which they have been become accustomed over the last twenty years there have to be sacrifices, for example, children.
Well, when you make the cost of the average home over 1 million, what do you expect?
I make like 3 times any of my friends and I just have my head above water to breathe. Watching most of my money get taken in taxes and dumped into a money furnace in Ottawa. The government is delusional with how much tax brackets need to move up and stop choking people out. They are delusional with how close to the bottom so many people are. I don’t even feel a study is needed to ask why. It’s blatantly obvious if you aren’t rich, but every politician is corrupt and rich or comes from some rich family so how the fuck would they know 😂
Can stop calling this a crisis. The world has a large population which is still increasing. Yes a falling birth rates causes problems like an aging population, but basically there are enough of us on this small fragile rock already
1. This is not a Canadian phenomenon. This is not a developed world phenomenon. This is not a Western world phenomenon. This is a GLOBAL phenomenon. China, Mexico, Brazil, India, Russia, Turkey, Vietnam, Argentina, Iran, Thailand, Indonesia, The Philippines, Colombia, Malaysia, etc…are all at or bellow population replacement. The only places that are still having high birthrates are sub-Saharan Africa and parts of central Asia.
2. We don’t know exactly what is causing this, as this is happening in rich and poor countries alike. It is happening in countries with massive social-welfare safety nets and subsidies and in countries with none of those. It is happening in secular countries and in highly religious countries alike. The only common pattern seems to be urbanization. Scandinavian countries, countries like Singapore, Japan and South Korea have invested massive amounts of money trying to revert birthrates declines with not much to show for it. Singapore for example virtually guarantees affordable housing for all of its citizens, plus free schooling, affordable medical care, etc… and still has one of the lowest birthrates in the planet. No country has yet figured out how to reverse the trend, but many are trying.
3. Nobody is pushing for “infinite growth”. Most people agree that flat population growth or a small decline is good. The problem is the pace of the decline. When birthrates fall off a cliff, as we are seeing now, you end up with a massively large old population that needs to be supported by an ever declining young population. We don’t know how to run a society in these conditions. We have no idea how to make this work.
Why did the replacement rate dive of all 4 countries in the 60s? Birth control?
I might know some people willing to help out with that crisis.
Want a smaller population? Let housing become unaffordable and you’re there. It’s not a surprise.
Two things I found interesting about Canada
1. While their economy may be growing. Once you look at household income, Canada has been in a recession for the past year.
2. The productivity per capita of even their best provinces is lower than that of Mississippi
I feel like this is basically the same dataset presented four different ways. “Splitting population by age” and the “population pyramid” are more or less the same data. Birth/death rate comparison is directly proportional to the values at the top and bottom of the population pyramid. Fertility rate is about the only unique data set.
The issue doesn’t feel as “unpacked” as I was hoping for when I clicked. It basically just shows the surface level stats showing the issue exists rather than delving into underlying causes and correlations at all which I was kind of hoping from the title.
so when trudeau keeps wanting to import indians we should really be made at the Canucks for not having enough kids to support the boomer population 🤔
fun fact. the human body has maybe 35-40kg of ‘matter’ the rest is water.
to survive, the body can run quite happily on a few potato’s and some milk.
The planet can support quintillions of people. It’s hard to realise or comprehend. There have been records going back to ancient times of people worried they had consumed the planet. That was it. When they had a few million people lol.
Reality is – people have been tricked into sacrificing having kids for making money for their kings, for their companies, for the military. They handed it all over for a variety of reasons. Fear. Hate. Convenience. Its happened for thousands of years. Rome collapsed due to it as well, it’s well documented their society collapsed when they stopped having kids. In maybe 100 years it went from amazing to implosion.
They even enacted laws saying you wouldn’t be eligible for inheritance or public assistance if you didn’t have I believe 4-5 kids. It was insanity. Year after year they said just one more dollar increase in taxes. Just one more hour increase in working time. Just one more month extension until retirement. Over a few hundred years all those tiny increments added up to no one having kids and kaboom. By the time they noticed it was too late and they couldnt maintain the level of comfort they had become accustomed to. The rich fled and humanity moved on and new governments were formed.
Surprise. They did the same thing all over again lol. its almost as if people are inherently selfish, greedy and cruel.
South korea and japan are already in advanced stages of this decline. Eventually in 50 years from now within our lifetimes they will face very, very tough choices. Cut support for the elderly and steal all the wealth the working class have. Tell them its their duty. Then their societies collapse. The last thing anyone wants to hear is young people given a home, and free childcare and no work. But thats the solution… and the elderly wont want their free healthcare taken away and the rich and powerful will say keep voting for us and our kickbacks for the rich and we’ll ensure you elderly keep getting free healthcare and because the voting majority are all older they always win. Then boom. Gone.
give the young a right to vote and let them block laws that impact them. extending retirement age to 80? no. extendimg working hours to 60 hours a week. no. freezing wages to poverty levels. no. but because the young and unborn dont get a vote this cycle is designed to fail them. forever.
id love to see a government emerge out of the ashes in 200 years that has to put the unborn and childrens first.
>The Shrinking Nation:
More like “_Yet another_ shrinking nation’. That’s been happening pretty much all over EU for a while now…
great work! is there a github repo?
Instead of panicking and wringing hands about this, it’s time to accept that, to some degree, birth rates are dropping and we need to work with what we have. The thing is, there will always be those who don’t want children, and everything governments have tried haven’t changed that. Capital demands infinite growth despite making life harder and harder for people to do anything. I’m worried that as some governments can’t cajole the rate up, they’ll start draconian measures that, as always, will strip the rights from people, mostly women, in this desperate quest to force more babies. There are eight billion people in the world, with a total population expected to grow through 2100. We need to stop demanding more babies no one wants to have and start looking for other solutions. Lots of people don’t actually want children, we need to respect that.
Less people does not mean crisis but correct trend that should be followed all over the world.
I dont need a chart to know that Canadas birth rate is similar to Japans
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Tools used: SQL and Tableau
Dataset: [https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/index-eng.cfm](https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/index-eng.cfm)
Tableaulink: [https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/manas.tripathi4502/viz/CanadianPopulationAnalysis/Dashboard1](https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/manas.tripathi4502/viz/CanadianPopulationAnalysis/Dashboard1)
How’s it a crisis? Who cares?
The people whose job it is to establish public policy have made it clear that children should be an expensive luxury, and this is the consequence of that. So I would suggest that this is intentional and not a crisis.
If we want to keep the billionaires of the world in the manner to which they have been become accustomed over the last twenty years there have to be sacrifices, for example, children.
Well, when you make the cost of the average home over 1 million, what do you expect?
I make like 3 times any of my friends and I just have my head above water to breathe. Watching most of my money get taken in taxes and dumped into a money furnace in Ottawa. The government is delusional with how much tax brackets need to move up and stop choking people out. They are delusional with how close to the bottom so many people are. I don’t even feel a study is needed to ask why. It’s blatantly obvious if you aren’t rich, but every politician is corrupt and rich or comes from some rich family so how the fuck would they know 😂
Can stop calling this a crisis. The world has a large population which is still increasing. Yes a falling birth rates causes problems like an aging population, but basically there are enough of us on this small fragile rock already
1. This is not a Canadian phenomenon. This is not a developed world phenomenon. This is not a Western world phenomenon. This is a GLOBAL phenomenon. China, Mexico, Brazil, India, Russia, Turkey, Vietnam, Argentina, Iran, Thailand, Indonesia, The Philippines, Colombia, Malaysia, etc…are all at or bellow population replacement. The only places that are still having high birthrates are sub-Saharan Africa and parts of central Asia.
2. We don’t know exactly what is causing this, as this is happening in rich and poor countries alike. It is happening in countries with massive social-welfare safety nets and subsidies and in countries with none of those. It is happening in secular countries and in highly religious countries alike. The only common pattern seems to be urbanization. Scandinavian countries, countries like Singapore, Japan and South Korea have invested massive amounts of money trying to revert birthrates declines with not much to show for it. Singapore for example virtually guarantees affordable housing for all of its citizens, plus free schooling, affordable medical care, etc… and still has one of the lowest birthrates in the planet. No country has yet figured out how to reverse the trend, but many are trying.
3. Nobody is pushing for “infinite growth”. Most people agree that flat population growth or a small decline is good. The problem is the pace of the decline. When birthrates fall off a cliff, as we are seeing now, you end up with a massively large old population that needs to be supported by an ever declining young population. We don’t know how to run a society in these conditions. We have no idea how to make this work.
Why did the replacement rate dive of all 4 countries in the 60s? Birth control?
I might know some people willing to help out with that crisis.
Want a smaller population? Let housing become unaffordable and you’re there. It’s not a surprise.
Two things I found interesting about Canada
1. While their economy may be growing. Once you look at household income, Canada has been in a recession for the past year.
2. The productivity per capita of even their best provinces is lower than that of Mississippi
I feel like this is basically the same dataset presented four different ways. “Splitting population by age” and the “population pyramid” are more or less the same data. Birth/death rate comparison is directly proportional to the values at the top and bottom of the population pyramid. Fertility rate is about the only unique data set.
The issue doesn’t feel as “unpacked” as I was hoping for when I clicked. It basically just shows the surface level stats showing the issue exists rather than delving into underlying causes and correlations at all which I was kind of hoping from the title.
so when trudeau keeps wanting to import indians we should really be made at the Canucks for not having enough kids to support the boomer population 🤔
fun fact. the human body has maybe 35-40kg of ‘matter’ the rest is water.
to survive, the body can run quite happily on a few potato’s and some milk.
The planet can support quintillions of people. It’s hard to realise or comprehend. There have been records going back to ancient times of people worried they had consumed the planet. That was it. When they had a few million people lol.
Reality is – people have been tricked into sacrificing having kids for making money for their kings, for their companies, for the military. They handed it all over for a variety of reasons. Fear. Hate. Convenience. Its happened for thousands of years. Rome collapsed due to it as well, it’s well documented their society collapsed when they stopped having kids. In maybe 100 years it went from amazing to implosion.
They even enacted laws saying you wouldn’t be eligible for inheritance or public assistance if you didn’t have I believe 4-5 kids. It was insanity. Year after year they said just one more dollar increase in taxes. Just one more hour increase in working time. Just one more month extension until retirement. Over a few hundred years all those tiny increments added up to no one having kids and kaboom. By the time they noticed it was too late and they couldnt maintain the level of comfort they had become accustomed to. The rich fled and humanity moved on and new governments were formed.
Surprise. They did the same thing all over again lol. its almost as if people are inherently selfish, greedy and cruel.
South korea and japan are already in advanced stages of this decline. Eventually in 50 years from now within our lifetimes they will face very, very tough choices. Cut support for the elderly and steal all the wealth the working class have. Tell them its their duty. Then their societies collapse. The last thing anyone wants to hear is young people given a home, and free childcare and no work. But thats the solution… and the elderly wont want their free healthcare taken away and the rich and powerful will say keep voting for us and our kickbacks for the rich and we’ll ensure you elderly keep getting free healthcare and because the voting majority are all older they always win. Then boom. Gone.
give the young a right to vote and let them block laws that impact them. extending retirement age to 80? no. extendimg working hours to 60 hours a week. no. freezing wages to poverty levels. no. but because the young and unborn dont get a vote this cycle is designed to fail them. forever.
id love to see a government emerge out of the ashes in 200 years that has to put the unborn and childrens first.
>The Shrinking Nation:
More like “_Yet another_ shrinking nation’. That’s been happening pretty much all over EU for a while now…
great work! is there a github repo?
Instead of panicking and wringing hands about this, it’s time to accept that, to some degree, birth rates are dropping and we need to work with what we have. The thing is, there will always be those who don’t want children, and everything governments have tried haven’t changed that. Capital demands infinite growth despite making life harder and harder for people to do anything. I’m worried that as some governments can’t cajole the rate up, they’ll start draconian measures that, as always, will strip the rights from people, mostly women, in this desperate quest to force more babies. There are eight billion people in the world, with a total population expected to grow through 2100. We need to stop demanding more babies no one wants to have and start looking for other solutions. Lots of people don’t actually want children, we need to respect that.
Less people does not mean crisis but correct trend that should be followed all over the world.
I dont need a chart to know that Canadas birth rate is similar to Japans
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