Starmer urged to stand up to Trump’s ‘torrent of lies’ as outrage over Ukraine grows

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-trump-lies-ukraine-russia-b2702446.html

by SinisterPixel

27 comments

  1. It won’t matter what Starmer, nor anyone else says. I’m amazed that people still don’t understand that the only thing that works with Trump is to agree with him.

  2. He is.

    Starmer is clearly doing all he can.

    Trump is bizarre and talking in private is the only way to persuade him.

    You can’t beat crazy by shouting at it.

    Starmer saying he’ll deploy troops to Ukraine means no one is more committed.

  3. Trump is no longer the leader of the free world. Europe must step up and Starmer really can make this an opportunity to bring the UK back into the fold whilst reinforcing the unitedness of Europe against tyranny.

    America has fallen thanks to AI-fuelled social media control of the stupid by billionaires.

  4. So glad all this came at the time we have Sensible Boring Adult as prime minister. This is extremely hostile waters with probably no good end goal. Failing to keep Trump on side could literally cost tens of thousands of lives; failing to change Trump’s course could cost hundreds of thousands when Russia begins its next conquest in ten years time; failing to call him obese or old or make fun of his makeup will lead to Redditors saying mean things.

    Imagine if this happened while Truss was in charge, or slimy Sunak. I can’t begin to see the internal struggle Boris Johnson would have had; the urge on the one hand to keep cosplaying his Churchill fantasy, on the other to switch and gush praise so that American Daddy will like him.

  5. Trump says alot of shit because he knows his racist voters like it. He panders to them. I do wonder how much he actually believes in reality

  6. Trump says Starmer is a Marxist I don’t think this one will work out

  7. I’m not sure anyone on earth can stand-up to Trumps ‘torrent of lies.’

    By the time you’ve stood up to one lie, he’s made several more. It would be a never ending to-do list to battle all of his lies

  8. Trump is doing the world a favour, we should listen by drastically reducing our dependence and trade with them, strengthen our relationship with old allies and forge new alliances.

  9. My biggest concern for the next 5 years is that the UK will get entirely consumed by American-style politics, and my biggest hope is that having a labour government right now will cause us to lean towards Europe instead.

    I appreciate Trump making it so easy for Labour to reject him by saying absolutely batshit things, now Starmer just needs to do his part in that.

  10. Starmer might be able to pull something off. Trump’s opinions are basically those of the last person he spoke to.

  13. Can someone please explain why we’re pandering to this orange anus?
    Is it just the money? I don’t get it.
    Nigel Barrage says we don’t have to take him seriously. Why doesn’t the UK and Europe send a clear message- “you’re fucking unbalanced. Shut up”.
    Fuck Donald Dump and fuck his mate, Putitin.

  14. Last thing we need in the UK is being pulled into this conflict deeper. NATO and Europe have sat back happily knowing eventually ourselves and America will commit unfortunately we are both broke and in no state to support a sustained conflict, Plus China are paused to commit plenty of equipment and troops.

  15. Let’s just finish what we started and put America back as a British colony

  16. I’m hoping after his meeting with Trump next week he’ll realise that he should stop saying US should support Ukraine when they’re clearly not going to.

  17. I like to know why tax money 2 billion a year is going to this war its been going on for years and is just a money laundering scam for elites.

  18. Bang on to Trump for the entire meeting about the £22 billion black hole. I’m pretty sure it’ll go down as well with him as it has done with the rest of us.

  19. **The UK has absolutely no interest in ending the war in Ukraine. **

    In fact, it has every incentive to prolong it, just as it has done with other conflicts throughout history. The key players—politicians, defense contractors, and globalist organizations—profit immensely from perpetual war, both financially and geopolitically.

    **Why the UK Wants the War to Continue?**

    The Military-Industrial Complex Profits from War. This is why Biden wanted the war and sent billions to Ukraine in his last month in office.

    The UK has been one of the biggest suppliers of weapons to Ukraine, with billions in taxpayer money funneled into arms manufacturers. Companies like BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin, and Raytheon (which the UK government has close ties to) have seen record profits since the war began.

    British arms exports surged in 2023, with Ukraine as a major recipient.

    Every missile fired, every tank destroyed, and every piece of equipment lost means more contracts, more taxpayer funding, and more profits for the defense industry.

    The longer the war drags on, the more money flows into the pockets of the political and corporate elite.

    **You didn’t understand Starmer’s Plan to Escalate the Conflict?**

    Now that Trump is signaling he will negotiate peace with Russia, Starmer is pushing to send British troops to Ukraine, a clear provocation that could trigger direct NATO-Russia conflict.

    The timing is no coincidence: The UK establishment does NOT want Trump to succeed in ending the war.

    Starmer’s decision to deploy troops is a way to force the US into continued involvement by creating a situation where NATO troops are now on the ground, making peace harder to negotiate.

    The UK’s leadership isn’t acting in the interest of its own citizens but on behalf of globalist entities that profit from war.

    **The UK Uses Ukraine as a Proxy Against Russia**

    Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Western elites have wanted to weaken and destabilize Russia. The Ukraine war is a perfect excuse to:

    Drain Russia economically and militarily by forcing it into a prolonged conflict.

    Justify endless military spending in the UK, keeping defense budgets inflated.

    Maintain control over Europe by using Russia as a permanent enemy, ensuring NATO’s relevance and expansion.

    **The UK’s Historical Pattern of Prolonging Wars**

    This isn’t the first time the UK government has deliberately prolonged a war for strategic and financial gain:

    Iraq & Afghanistan: The UK played a key role in keeping these wars going long past their initial objectives, benefiting arms manufacturers and intelligence contractors.

    Libya & Syria: The UK pushed for intervention, leading to prolonged instability, while British firms capitalized on reconstruction and security contracts.

    Now, in Ukraine, the same pattern repeats: Never-ending war, endless profits, and total disregard for human life.

    **British Taxpayers Are Funding Ukraine’s Government**

    The UK is not just sending weapons, it’s literally funding the salaries of Ukrainian government workers. This means that British taxpayers are subsidizing a foreign government while their own economy struggles. It’s ok, we simply pay more on every thing, energy, council tax, car tax.

    Meanwhile, the NHS is collapsing, and the cost of living crisis worsens, yet the government prioritizes pouring billions into a foreign war.

    The UK public never voted for this, but Starmer and the globalist elite force them to fund a war that serves their own interests.
    Conclusion: War Is a Business, and the UK Wants to Keep It Going

    Keir Starmer, like the Tory government before him, has no intention of ending the war in Ukraine. With Trump pushing for negotiations, the UK is deliberately escalating by sending troops, ensuring that peace remains out of reach.

    The UK government serves the war machine, not its people.

  20. he does need to do that but he’s in a diplomatic bind in that the relationship between the UK and the USA is too important to risk severing or damaging. it’s always been the job of the Prime Minister to work with other world leaders even if they massively disagree with them so for the most part he’s had to be silent up to now. It’s a bind. It is getting to the point where he’s going to have to openly condemn all this stuff in a much more direct way because Trump clearly doesn’t give a fuck he’s just openly ripping up rule books in plain sight.

  21. This whole Trump storyline is the perfect opportunity for politicians all over Europe to avoid accountability and deflect from internal problems and turmoil. It’s like “ignore our incompetence and corruption – look at what Trump said!”

  22. The US, Ukraine, UK and Russia all signed up to the Budapest memorandum back in the 90s. So far Russia and more recently the US are not honouring that, we, as the UK should be pushing for that to be upheld with backing of NATO,.

  23. Starmer, the catch-22 PM. He’s kinda damned if he doesn’t damn Trump by voters but also damned if he does damn Trump because Trump will want revenge which could potentially have serious consequences for us as a country in some way. I really don’t envy him here. Trump is deplorable, Musk is a Nazi, I would want to rain pure hell fire down on them but you run the risk of sinking your own ship with it.

    I do think it’s interesting that Trump retaliated like this to Keir Starmer publicly saying and to Zelenskyy directly he does not believe Zelenskyy is a dictator. Trump also called him nice during the same interview he claimed Starmer has done nothing. Trump isn’t completely off Starmer yet so it means Starmer may have something he can work with, the issue is Trumps biggest loyalty is to Putin, likely because Putin has something that could destroy him, so even if Starmer has some leverage in some way Trump will have to remain loyal to Putin.

  24. I don’t envy keir having to attend a meeting with Trump. I’m not sure Trump can be reasoned with.
    Keir needs to be diplomatic not confrontational.

    But the uk needs to free themselves from USA yoke in a planned discrete way.

  25. Stand up to Apple too. Who needs privacy? I’m willing to show my arsehole. I have nothing to hide, do you?

  26. We all want Starmer to come out and publicly state that Trump is wrong and we’ll back Ukraine, but really, in terms of effective diplomacy (and the best outcome for Ukraine), he’s probably right not to do that.

    Trump is a narcissist who takes public reprimands very badly, but he’s also easily swayed and has a short attention span. If Starmer can lose to him at golf, make him feel valued, walk him gently away from Putin and divert his attention elsewhere, there’s a decent chance he’ll forget all about his “amazing” deal that he’s offering Ukraine.

  27. As much as people want Starmer to ‘stand up’ to Trump. The reality, as he and his advisors surely know, is that doing so would definitely be detrimental to the UK in a number of ways. The simplistic view is to see him not standing up to Trump as a lack of backbone, however the reality is that he would probably very much like to tell Trump where to stick it, but doesn’t because he knows that as much as that would feel great to do, it would only be bad for the British people and country at large.

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