German election: Exit polls say CDU/CSU leads with 29%

https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-exit-polls-say-cdu-csu-leads-with-29/live-71700729

23 comments

  1. AfD is at 19.5%, with SPD close behind at 16%

    I hope Elon is crying and pissing himself right now

  4. As an American nearly completely ignorant to the complexity of coalition governments in Germany, what does this showing from the CDU/CSU and the AfD mean for Germany moving forward?

    If I’m reading the exit poll results correctly, the CDU/CSU and SPD will have enough seats to govern together as a coalition, essentially blocking out the AfD and Greens.

  5. So while it’s a relief they didn’t win outright, AFD did get some big gains

  6. AfD still double its seats and it’s the same trend we’ve seen in France with the RN and many other EU countries.

    So we’ve got to recognise that a democracy which doesn’t protect its middle class is bound to tilt towards disruptors and unless we find a way to reduce the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the super rich which has increased exponentially since covid then a facist will take over at some point.

    Right wing parties traditionally put the blame on immigration, and of course that’s part of a discussion we need to have but there’s a bigger picture here and that’s newer generations are less wealthy than their parents.

  8. The far right made big gains and the people here are patting themselves on the back by saying “they didn’t win as big as they could’ve!”

    The west is cooked if they keep up that attitude.

  9. For everybody congratulating germany because the AfD didn’t win – this is *not* a good result. It is about what was expected i.e. far right as the 2nd most popular party in Germany at 20 percent (twice that of 2021). This isn’t like American politics where only the 1st place matters.

    A far right party has not been anywhere near this popular in Germany since WW2

  10. I’m aware that the CDU/CSU are technically a Conservative Party and have mostly been the dominant party in Germany for years… But I’m just curious, how exactly are German conservatives different from say American conservatives? I’m aware that conservatism and liberalism is rather different in Europe than in the US, but I’m just curious as to how if that makes sense.

  11. Hopefully, with the AfD winning around 20% it will be a wake up call to the CDU, to do something to bring back voters from voting AfD in four years.

  12. Break it down for me – if you get a CDU/SPD government, will anything change?

  13. Centrists and leftists need to change their policy towards immigration and take a hard stance, otherwise Far right populists and Putins puppets will take over in near future.

  15. The Result could have been worse. AfD stays below 20 percent and neoliberal Party FDP is out altogether. Instead the leftist Party gains a lot and is at around 8 to 9 percent – and the strongest force for Young voters between 18 and 24.

  16. This is what scares me. People crap on the U.S. for electing a moron but obviously there is a world-wide drift toward the right, toward fascism, toward racism. It isn’t just happening in the U. S., it’s just that America is big and noisy.

  18. Realistically, the AFD may as well be in governments. Americans failing to understand German democracy here.

    We all knew CDU would come first. Meaning they get to pick a coalition partner to form a government with.

    CDU and AFD have by far the clearest majority.

    CDU has promised they won’t officially make a coalition government with the AFD.

    But the AFD has offered to vote through right wing laws the CDU likes if their coalition partner does not. Together, they can pass anything they like.

    CDU already did this twice while in the opposition in the last weeks.

    So here is what will happen.

    CDU and SPD will discuss their coalition.

    If FDP and BSW get into parliament and hence shift the proportions, they might need a third coalition partner, FDP or Greens. But CDU will be the dominant partner.

    And anything the other coalition partners block something CDU wants – and CDU has become horribly right wing and promised a “complete turnaround” on migration – they can threaten to instead vote it through with AFD.

    Either SPD and a potential partner concede, and vote through right wing shit, hoping to at least mellow it and keep a democratic government. (I don’t like this option, I think it isn’t worth it.)

    Or CDU starts voting it through with the AFD, hence unmasking that they are fine with an unofficial nazi government.

    At that point, I expect SPD to drop out (at least I hope it will) and try to trigger a distrust in government vote and new elections. They will need a significant part of the CDU to agree with them that this is turning into a nazi government and agree to new elections, knowing their party will lose.

    If this doesn’t go through, we’ll have a minority CDU government that collects votes from AFD or SPD to get stuff done.

    Either way, at that point, we have either an unstable government, or a nazi one.

    How long that drags out depends on how much shit SPD will enable until they quit.

    But no, we are not getting four stable years of a moderate government here. That will break the moment SPD refuses to sign off on inhumanity.

  20. Wtf is the deal with democratic/leftist parties leaders? BEING PASSIVE IS NOT A STRATEGY. Holy fuck, stand your fucking ground. When people say “we want this” your response SHOULD be “ok we can do it this way, what do you think” NOT “o we will see, we would loooove to do that for you but the other parties might think we are rude for proposing it”

  21. We have so many statistics on this because of this elections.

    The libertarians here almost fully went right radical with FDP dissolving into the AFD.

    The AFD mainly got votes from a-political people that never have voted before, these people do not care about democracy, the economy, or anything outside of whatever is riling them up on social media, they vote purely out of emotion because otherwise they wouldn’t even bother to go to the ballot. It’s literally in the numbers.

    The Left also got a massive influx of voters right after they started campaigning online, within the span of months, on YT and Tiktok, before they were almost irrelevant.

    It’s social media.

  22. The left needs to do as the Danes did. Good results with a pro-socialist approach, but hardened immigration stance.

  23. Imaging if the other parties could actually be reasonable about immigration

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