UK party leaders walk tightrope on Trump while voters want stricter stance

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1. The level of astroturfing on reddit is quite astonishing at the moment.

   You can’t even read the front page without every other post being something negative about Trump or Musk, I really wonder how much that is influencing public opinion and how aware Starmer is of this.

   You have to ask yourself, who really benefits from splitting the Western alliances up? Because it isn’t us.

2. It shouldn’t matter what voters want on this. The govt will be making decisions based on a hell of a lot more information than is available to us, and its important they get them right. Voters are just noise.

3. Tbh the opinion you can have and publicly hold is different when you are Joe Bloggs on the street than when you’re a cabinet minister or party leader. There’s a diplomatic line to toe.

   That might not matter so much to Trump anyway, who’s easily provoked into a shouting match, and who’s cult of personality has gave him such a fanatical voter base, but UK politicians have typically been a bit more dignified and restrained in these situations.

   Lest you end up in a situation like David Lammy where he got old comments brought up on Trump that he, as foreign secretary, shouldn’t say in public.

   We may want them to take a harder line, they will be a bit more guarded at finding a way to play Trump differently (butter him up to get what you want). We know how hot-headed he reacts to being called out.

4. Trump and Musk have expressed hatred of the UK. They’ve openly proposed policies and actions which would harm the UK and the people of the UK.

   They want to harm our allies and they want to support others who want to harm the UK.

   We should be united in condemning them. It’s shameful that there are British people who would support them.

5. Most of the country wants starmer to grow a pair and get hard on trump and his BS.

   The reform bots though want us to nosh his dick.

   So Ofc starmer is gonna gargle and hope to gain 10 reform votes.

   Labour strategy makes no sense

6. Stricter stance? You mean the strict stance of supporting an open-ended forever proxy war, largely funded by the USA – the same country we now pretend we hate?

   Russia must be quaking in its boots.

7. No point in anchoring ourselves to a sinking ship.

   The US is fucked. Irreparably so. I genuinely feel that full on state collapse will occur within the US before Trumps term is up

8. Starmer heads over, he should call Trump, vice president and ask if he is seeing the real president in the shape of Musk.

   Trump’s ego will take a battering and start creating division between him and Musk which would lead to a civil war within that group. If all leaders do it, Trump will feel scared and react violently against Musk and it will all blow u quickly

9. Brits across the spectrum overwhelmingly don’t like fascists. 

10. I don’t much mind the the tone or approach. They’re the ones face to face with him play it as you see it best but the decisions whatever way you want to phrase it need to be firm/strict. Could literally be:

    “We respect trumps position and desire for peace at all costs but UK feels it needs to take a different path in this conflict “

    Then just don’t do what Trump wants and move on. The words don’t matter just do the right thing

11. I do agree the U.K. need to take a tougher stance but I don’t think the general public will like what comes of it. Higher prices in a trade war will hurt the U.K. economically and it’s unlikely people won’t blame the government instead of just blaming the USA. You had this all over the world when Russia invaded Ukraine everyone supported sanctions but then it caused inflation so people blamed there current government instead of Russia. Thats the main reason labour are in power not because people loved labour but because they wanted change.

12. How fucking fickle are we?

    How many people realise that a “stricter” stance on the US is almost a guarantee of closer relations with the EU? What even was the fucking point of the last 9 years?

    No offence, but the general public are so fucking facile in this country.

13. My favourite tightrope is Nigel walking around trying to tell everyone that the UK has gone mad with woke mind vírus because of online hate laws whilst his best mate Trump has set the FBI to lock up anyone who disagrees with him online.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MAGANAZI/s/RQEDQ0iVlk

    So reformers what do you think about that?

14. Trump is only using leverage to get what he really wants, I’m sure the top dogs know what he wants so can just play on that.

    Ultimately none of these idiots, UK or Europe tried to speak with Putin to come to a peace deal or if they did, didn’t get anywhere.

    Be as it may, UK has bigger problems and always having money for Ukraine is not a good look, Putin will not invade Europe, He can’t win vs NATO so the whole Russia is a threat thing is baseless.

    If all Putin wanted was for Ukraine to not join NATO, they could have offered that to play his hand.

15. Trump is threatening our NATO allies and Commonwealth nations with an invasion. He is officially an enemy of Britain. We do not want a leader who tries to appease the playground bully, because Trump is only appeased by other bullies like Putin.

16. I hated the US before it was cool. All you hipsters new to hating the US are just posers and will abandon the hater community when they get a new president.

17. The only option is to gradually wean ourselves off American dependence.

    That is going to be painful, but it was always likely to be necessary at some point in history, because American priorities were always going to change at some point.

    There is no toadying you can do to Trump. He expects such absolute, unrelenting loyalty that the bar for being “pro Trump” is only ever going to get higher due to the behaviour he is surrounded with.

    All he respects is strength. The only way we can gain that is by minimising his leverage to threaten to take things away from us

18. tump is rude, stupid and obnoxious I want to see people calling out his lies and showing him the lack of respect that he deserves.

19. This is why Labour should have promoted Diane Abbot to party leader.

    Trump would be walking the tightrope with her.

20. since when is doing things that voters wanted or voted for a priority for a uk government

21. Bear in mind that what politicians say in public can sometimes be very different to what they do in private. I mean for all we know MI6 could be planning to assassinate Trump. We’ve no idea what’s happening behind closed doors.

22. We should be standing with Canada, the King is their Head of State. Leave Farage kissing Trumps arse.

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