Ex-NATO chief on Ukraine, Europe and the U.S.

As we hit the three-year mark since the invasion of Ukraine by Russian forces, Europe and NATO appear to be at their most fractured and vulnerable.

Since President Trump took power, he has sought to strengthen ties with Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin and has left much of Europe out in the cold when it comes to negotiating any peace deal between Ukraine and Russia.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen was Secretary General of NATO from 2009 to 2014, and before that, Denmark’s prime minister. He joins host Robin Young for a wide-ranging conversation, on Ukraine and NATO’s future, Europe’s vulnerability, Trump’s foreign policy moves and Greenland.

This segment aired on February 24, 2025. Audio will be available soon.