I’m curious on how the logistics will look for this.
Do the minerals get processed in Ukraine itself or would they send it to Russia? Or ship it elsewhere?
Despite Reddits narrative, this is a good thing. This will give Americans a tangible stake in the outcome of the war beyond just feel goods. If Europeans aren’t happy with the result, they should have taken better steps to prepare to counter Russia and thus had the influence to effect the war.
Gun to the head diplomacy > debt trap diplomacy
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So…Putin takes a quarter (more important one) of Ukraine, the rest will be extracted for Americans mostly …
And what did Europe get for all the help ?
Mastermind leadership right there, EU
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Reading Bloomberg this morning, this whole rare earth stuff might be a mirage.
>>Ukrainian officials added that the deal was just a “framework agreement” and that no revenues would change hands until the fund was in place, allowing them time to iron out any potential disagreements. Among the outstanding issues is to agree the jurisdiction of the agreement.
>So they’ve “signed” a deal, but now they will spend months discussing the fine details, and ultimately they will still walk away if the deal is not suitable, or if Europe offers them a better one.
>They’re being very smart, keeping the US onside, and playing for time.
Essentially we don’t know. I wonder what the US can offer Ukraine, other than security guarantees which it took off the table, for Ukraine to accept this.
Personally it still feels like a shakedown, and I hope Ukraine rejects it
EDIT: Quote original comment, add my own opinion
This deal actually looks decent for Ukraine. It excludes resources already being extracted by Naftogaz and Ukrnafta and instead addresses mineral resources that are currently not being extracted. So the US invests into Ukraine mineral extraction, half the proceeds go to a fund to that help Ukraine recover from the war and the US makes some profit. I might be wrong but it looks like a win-win.
The crazy part is the parts that Russia is currently occupying are the mineral rich regions of Ukraine. Very ironic to say.
Does anyone know where the minerals are supposedly located? My understanding is that most of the worth while minerals and lithium were in the Eastern part of Ukraine already under Russian control.
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I’m curious on how the logistics will look for this.
Do the minerals get processed in Ukraine itself or would they send it to Russia? Or ship it elsewhere?
Despite Reddits narrative, this is a good thing. This will give Americans a tangible stake in the outcome of the war beyond just feel goods. If Europeans aren’t happy with the result, they should have taken better steps to prepare to counter Russia and thus had the influence to effect the war.
Gun to the head diplomacy > debt trap diplomacy
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So…Putin takes a quarter (more important one) of Ukraine, the rest will be extracted for Americans mostly …
And what did Europe get for all the help ?
Mastermind leadership right there, EU
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Reading Bloomberg this morning, this whole rare earth stuff might be a mirage.
Relevant: [https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1iy2vo9/comment/mercq8v/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1iy2vo9/comment/mercq8v/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
>Read the fine print :
>>Ukrainian officials added that the deal was just a “framework agreement” and that no revenues would change hands until the fund was in place, allowing them time to iron out any potential disagreements. Among the outstanding issues is to agree the jurisdiction of the agreement.
>So they’ve “signed” a deal, but now they will spend months discussing the fine details, and ultimately they will still walk away if the deal is not suitable, or if Europe offers them a better one.
>They’re being very smart, keeping the US onside, and playing for time.
>Russia doesn’t *have* time.
It’s more complicated than that
[https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c4gm41lq6rlt](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c4gm41lq6rlt)
Essentially we don’t know. I wonder what the US can offer Ukraine, other than security guarantees which it took off the table, for Ukraine to accept this.
Personally it still feels like a shakedown, and I hope Ukraine rejects it
EDIT: Quote original comment, add my own opinion
This deal actually looks decent for Ukraine. It excludes resources already being extracted by Naftogaz and Ukrnafta and instead addresses mineral resources that are currently not being extracted. So the US invests into Ukraine mineral extraction, half the proceeds go to a fund to that help Ukraine recover from the war and the US makes some profit. I might be wrong but it looks like a win-win.
The crazy part is the parts that Russia is currently occupying are the mineral rich regions of Ukraine. Very ironic to say.
Does anyone know where the minerals are supposedly located? My understanding is that most of the worth while minerals and lithium were in the Eastern part of Ukraine already under Russian control.
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