Elon Musk backs US withdrawal from NATO alliance

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/elon-musk-backs-us-withdrawal-from-nato-alliance/

by PoiHolloi2020

32 comments

  1. Okay. Then the Musk or U.S. should pay back the money the allies spent after the U.S. convoked article 5. That would be at least some trillions which Musk has already identified.

  2. and he’s an expert in this why? Dude cant even form a straight sentence without stuttering and now he’s suddenly a defense expert. Give me a break!

  3. Oh boy shit just escalated

    I fear europe needs more time sadly. Man the next years will be very interesting

  4. Lt Aldo Raine needs an appointment with Elmo Muskolinis forehead.

  5. Better start the long process of getting all your military shit out of UK territory

  6. Is the EU banning X now or waiting until every far right dipshit is being elected thanks to Russian and Nazi money?

  7. This would pose an immediate threat to especially the Baltics as the US then wouldn’t be obliged to respond in case of a Russian invasion, but also a growing danger to Canada. While an American invasion in Canada would trigger the remaining NATO-members to respond, it would be utterly impossible to launch a counter-offensive as the US is still a military giant unmatched by any other country on earth. Re-arming of Europe should be kicked into high gear.

  8. Remember the 20 years of war and terror we just went through? Meant nothing, much like the American word.

    We must never forget how much one election can fuck up, and plan for it. Trusting America for anything in the future would be a mistake. Trump just showed every animal in the woods how to shit all over everything and get away with it.

  10. Fine. Give us the money back RN then for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus generous donations to each and every soul who lost loved ones.

  11. Elon Musk is an inspiration to everyone who suffers from cognitive disabilites: you can still become the world´s richest man.

  12. He’s that African national who rules the US government, right?

  13. The US seems absolutely committed to tarnishing their reputation. The US has been compromised without a single shot being fired.

    If recent events aren’t a wake-up call for Europe, I’m not sure what is. Hopefully the European defence talks in London today actually leads to meaningful commitments.

  15. Kind of pathetic coming from the only administration that invoked Article 5 and was allowed to plant its military bases all over allied countries, and of course, through them, to exert pressure on those allies.

    Here’s a very relevant example: the Tate brothers. More and more information is emerging about how the Trump administration pressured Romania to allow the disgusting Tates to flee to the US, and shortly after, news appears about various figures claiming that US-UK relations would deteriorate if the UK requested the Tate brothers’ extradition.

    So, I say this with regret and bitterness – Trump’s America can go and fuck itself. A country that calls for the relocation of Palestinians from Gaza, a country that asks us to “understand” Putin, a heinous criminal, is not worthy of partner status.

  16. To see what the US has become and how it acts, while saddening and grotesque, somehow still feels freeing. For long years it was foreseeable that this would happen, that the population would prefer someone like Trump and how he would act. But the uncertainty until now was hard to watch and witness.

    As a european, I honestly now feel very freed somehow. It feels like the bandaid is gone. Too long nobody knew what would be. Now we know.

    It’s like seeing an old friend die, while some cult is worshipping the corpse and don’t let it rest in peace.

    It’s just sad.

  17. I went from liking Elon > Forgiving his antics due to his work > now (in the last month) viewing him as one of the worst pieces of shit on Earth

    Fuck USA, bring on a closer and stronger Europe

    Sincerely, a Kiwi living in Aussie

  18. They want out of NATO, a tool of American influence and soft power.

    They want out of UN, a tool of American influence and soft power

    They start fights with any ally they have, alliances all being tools for American influence and soft power.

    So the goal is to dismantle America’s leadeship role but somehow expect to still reap the same benefits from that. My worry is that they want to now get bread crumbs of it via tyranny and threats

  19. Where the fuck is CIA?

    How the fuck are they watching being softcore invaded by Russia and KGB with a grin?

    Don’t you people have any dignity or love for your country and your people?!??

    Sorry for overreacting but seriously, what the hell Americans?!!!!

  20. Not helping Ukraine is one thing but leaving NATO out of spite is incredibly irresponsible. Patheric behaviour. There should be a referendum if they want to do it , its the people who have to decide.

  21. Russia is getting everything they’ve asked for. It only benefits them.

    – Split the US 
    – Split Nato
    – Split Europe (still a work in progress).

  22. “How to lose world power status in 1 month.” tragicomedy can be seen above

  23. These are the games of a junkie who controls propaganda.
    Today, there are a thousand fake posts suggesting that maybe leaving NATO is a good idea.

    What a time to live in, where we have to deal with such an idiot.

    They made a massive screw-up with Zelensky, and now they’re trying to intimidate Europe so it doesn’t support him too much because the U.S. position is getting much weaker.
    Even today, Trump said that Zelensky should apologize – in other words, the U.S. is admitting to the screw-up.

    But what’s pathetic is that this is now how we’re going to conduct politics with the U.S.
    A drugged-up propagandist will be intimidating us through his media.

  25. Hello, EU? Still sleeping?
    Ban Twitter. Ban Starlink. Ban Musk.
    Now!

  26. But it’s Zelensky risking ww3… right, mango Mussolini probably meant he would start it.

  27. Let’s finally be smart!

    Let’s stop fouling our own nest!

    France offers talks on a nuclear protectorate of willing Europeans. France spends €3 billion a year on its nuclear programme, which I am happy to share.

    France is experienced in war, Germany is technologically good and wealthy, Poland is highly motivated by history. Scandinavia, the Baltic states and BeNeLux have always sought a common path.

    It is THE historic opportunity to expand EUROPE. Let us, with the willing and motivated, create an even better, bigger and stronger Europe in which the UK can once again find a place in terms of defence – with a common FOREIGN and SECURITY POLICY.

    Together we have 800,000 people under arms and a budget of €320,000,000,000.

    What can happen to us if we stand together?

  28. Would not be an issue for me if we, in EU, would be able to do more than meetings and speeches…

    And also, ban X in EU. why is not done already ???!!

  30. Imagine spending 110 years to become the world hegemonic power, just to piss it away within 50 days.

    Is this the first case in history of an empire crumbling because its citizens are too dumb?

  31. > Lee, a long-time critic of NATO, has described it as a “Cold War relic” and argued that the alliance “has to come to a halt.” He claims NATO is a “great deal for Europe” but a “raw deal for America”, suggesting that US resources are being stretched to protect Europe while offering little direct benefit to American security.

    Oh fuck off. The one and only time Article 5 was triggered was after 9/11, and every NATO member assisted. Hell even Estonia sent troops to Afghanistan. It wasn’t Europes war, it was America’s, but we participated anyway because that’s what we’d all agreed to. The cost to all of us was huge, not just financial, but in lives lost fighting a pretty pointless war.

    Now that it’s Europe under genuine threat, the US wants to back out? Fucking leeching cowards.

    He says that it’s all about protecting Europe, well good luck trying to project power into the Middle East without access to European bases like Rammstein and Akrotiri. They may have a lot of aircraft carriers, but you can’t land a C-130 on them or pass thousands of tons of supplies through them. So these people really have no clue how Americas force projection has operated over the last 60+ years.

  32. Somewhere in America, perhaps in a mid sized town somewhere is a normal guy. Perhaps he is married, perhaps not. He has a regular job and does the best he can navigating life’s ups and downs. His name is Mark.

    Mark thinks NATO is a good idea for western cooperation, security and stability. Liberal values, freedom and democracy means something to Mark.

    Elon musk on the other hand does not care for NATO. Democracy itself is even of little value to Elon who was born into wealth and status at the very top of a strict caste system in another country.

    Neither Mark or Elon Musk are elected American leaders or representatives. Theoretically their opinions on NATO, which they are free to have, should weigh the same.

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