Rubio calls Ukraine conflict a ‘proxy war’, urges end to fighting

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1. > Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Wednesday reiterated his call for an end to the conflict in Ukraine, saying it is a proxy war between the US and Russia.

   > Speaking in an interview with Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity, Rubio said that President Donald Trump views the war “as a protracted, stalemated conflict.”

   > “Frankly, this is a proxy war between the nuclear powers: the United States, which is helping Ukraine, and Russia, and it needs to come to an end,” he said.

   > Rubio argued that aiding Ukraine “as much as they need for as long as it takes” is not a strategy and that no one has a concrete plan to resolve the war.

   SoS remarks come a day after US halted all military aid to Ukraine, and is the first major interview following Trump’s decision to cut off intelligence-sharing w/Kyiv, in a move that piles further pressure on Zelensky.

2. >”And so that led to the dust-up. I’m glad to see that there’s been a reconsideration of that position, because I truly believe that this is a conflict that we need to find a way to end, and it’s going to require concessions from both sides, but we have to get them both to the table.

   What concessions have been demanded from Russia? I don’t recall them mentioning any.

3. It is a proxy war of sorts, Democracy vs Autocracy.

   Autocrats don’t follow any rules, and they only know strength. So to defend our democratic values, in this specific case you need to answer with strength or history will just repeat once more eventually.

4. They’re fighting for their own sovereignty, not on behalf of America 🤣 how does that even make sense?

   Imagine this: you get invaded and the aggressor tries to take your land, so you fight back. Then you get called a puppet and fighting on behalf of someone else to discredit your legitimacy. This usually comes from the aggressor (Russia) but now to hear it coming from the US? They have most definitely been infiltrated with Russian propaganda

5. It is not a proxy war. It *feels* like a proxy war, as Ukraine’s allies aren’t actually on the ground, but it is not a proxy war.

   A proxy war is generally fought mainly on behalf of the countries directing things in the background, where the country actually fighting wouldn’t be fighting otherwise.

   Ukraine would be defending whether there was support or not. All that is happening here are allies of Ukraine helping to defend Ukraine. Now it is being described as a proxy war, to try and distance the US from it.

6. >“Frankly, this is a proxy war between the nuclear powers: the United States, which is helping Ukraine, and Russia, and it needs to come to an end,” he said.

   You know who else calls it “a proxy war” from the beginning? Russians and their propaganda.

   This whole US Administration spews so many Putin’s talking points it’s sickening. They really are making sure to erase any doubt that they are russian assets in control of the whole country.

7. Rubio is such a strange case. He’ll get the title but by most accounts it’s just MAGA underlings running the show really. He won’t go down in the history books except as a spineless clown. Unless he is delusional enough to think he’ll be president one day (which I doubt), there is literally no upside to him doing this.

8. I think we all knew it already but Marco Rubio is utterly spineless and without morals. Regardless of what you think about the Ukraine war, surely nobody can hold even an ounce of respect for somebody who has gone from so fiercely pro-Ukraine to fiercely anti-Ukraine in such a short space of time?

   So many politicians (if not most of them) are utterly devoid of a backbone and will do and say anything for even a sniff of power

9. If this is a proxy war between US and Russia, then if Zelenskyy loses, the US loses.

   It’s truly insulting that this rot is not just evil, it’s *stupid*.

10. Of course it’s a damn proxy war.

    Famous [peace-deal saboteur](https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/) Boris Johnson [literally admitted as much on camera](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1h2gcau/boris_johnson_mate_lets_face_it_were_waging_a/) last year. The very fact that the war would immediately end if either (1) Russia withdraws or (2) Western support stops de facto proves it is a proxy war, regardless of the hows and whys of how this war started. It still baffles me that people challenge this.

11. yes Rubio slime, it IS a proxy war indeed. Ukraine is proxy of international law based world order, get it? All maga doing is abandoning old alliances due to perceived reactionist ideology that liberal democracies are failing

12. Rubio is conflating two conflicts.

    On the one hand, there is the war in Ukraine, which is a straight-forward geopolitical conflict where Russia invaded Ukraine in an attempt to expand its influence, and Ukraine is fighting back. There are no proxies there.

    On the other hand there is the rising conflict *within* the US between Trump’s neo-Fascists on one side, and on the other side democracy and and the rule of law. In this American conflict, support for Ukraine is a proxy.

13. Ukraines current options are:

    Lose 20% of the country to Russia and give your mineral rights to the US in exchange for nothing

    Or continue fighting without the help of the US

    Both aren’t great, but the first option is far worse

14. Boris Johnson also said a while back that it’s a proxy war.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1h2gcau/boris_johnson_mate_lets_face_it_were_waging_a/

15. Diplomacy. Hmm blackmailing Ukraine first with the exploitative minerals deal and when that failed, they stopped supplying the intelligence Ukraine needs to use the US weapons they have. Meaning they tied their hands behind their backs basically. What choice does Ukraine have except to surrender to the US when they can shut down their weapons.

    This is a betrayal of such magnitude it is hard to comprehend. And it is a pretty stark warning, don’t buy American weapons. They will use a kill switch to extort your country when you are at your most vulnerable.

    This should be the nail in the coffin for the US arms industry. It would be absolute FOLLY to spend money there after this.

16. Good news everyday, outside of Reddit the brainrot that is war hornieness is drying up at least in the US influential political party (goodbye war horny democrats). So many political media has shown themselves to be propaganda tools, refusing any sense of common sense as long as it does not serve their masters (or their radicalized ideology). Peace should have been negotiated years ago. Conscription should have been a critical issue in media if we support Ukraine, with brutal conscription (since day 1) Ukraine was never the good guy. If they didn’t have conscription like they did maybe, but Zelenski and the political party sending people to die for him was never honorable and refusing any negoations until last terrority is reclaimed has been comedically incompetent if not obviously corrupt.

17. What a stark difference of reaction compared to the Israel-Hamas war.

    Wonder how many days away we are from the Trump admin referring to Ukraine as a “nazi coup regime” or something equally retarded and mantraistic of what’s coming from the East. What a timeline.

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