Turkey would want to be part of any new European security architecture if Nato unravels, Turkish FM Fidan says

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  1. In my opinion, it would be foolish not to include them.

  4. It’ll be to the benefit of all parties. Russia is Turkey’s strategic adversary in the Black Sea region and Syria, while Europe benefits from Turkey’s large and battle hardened military and productive military-industrial complex.

    So of course Turkey will be part of any kind of post-NATO European security architecture.

  5. I think this will be the era of “Europeanisation” of Turkey. They have taken steps in the past and rolled back but Russia is as big a threat to Turkey as it is to the European union. I don’t think that means EU accession for Turkey but it does mean a drastic change in the geopolitical relationship.

  6. If Turkey would have stayed a secular state as envisioned by Ataturk, then the resistance of the EU would be much lower.

  8. Not surprised. Europe is arming itself to the teeth. Turkey has a big, modern army, but no allies in the vicinity, other than their current Nato partners. With global geopolitics shifting, both sides do not want to become each other’s enemy and Turkey needs friends.

    So it’s beneficial for both parties to keep a form of alliance if Nato falls.

  9. They do like to shoot down Russian aircraft and control a vital sea lane.

    Just do away with the single vote veto to avoid a hostage-taking.

  10. As a Turkish let me emhpasis that democracy and dictatorships are not 0-1 but rather a spectrum. Don’t put Erdogan and Putin and Xi in the same bag. Because underlying politic dynamics that resulted these men to acquire too-much-power is very different in those countries.

    In Turkiye right now the politic dynamics are barely supports Erdogan to hold all the power and EU and Turkiye getting closer may empower the proper democracy demand of the people of Turkey and that might be enough to tilt the power balance. And i’d assume (maybe a wishful thinking) but, Erdogan in his last days of his life might be willing to share the power with parlement and apply a smooth-transition to a proper democracy. (Considering that it is not possible for him to hold all the power due to consistently losing the popularity and he may want to prepare turkiye to post-erdogan process himself)

  11. If they could stop entertaining every beef they have with many European countries as a sign of good faith that would be great.

    Greece at least would be relieved.

  12. I remember when Sweden wanted to survive and Turkey could be an ally or a hindrance.

  13. seeing all these NATO unraveling news is making me so fucking nervous

  14. Well yeah that’s believeable. If I were Turkish I’d definitely want to be part of whatever comes next, in case of NATO collapse / fall into irrelevance.

    The issue is that the Erdogan government wants all the benefits of being in Europe (whether that means EU or just the overall European community) with sizeable caveats on the actual commitments…

  15. Please don’t make the whole world an enemy. If we start excluding literally everyone who is not an ideal liberal democracy at the end not much is left.

    We can work with Turkey. We need them, they need us.

  18. I changed my mind. Türkiye should take part in this army. If it does not, it will get closer to Russia and Iran, which will be the end of “Turkish democracy”

  20. No offense, but seeing what “questionable” democracies like Hungary do in democratic alliances do, I rather not have them on board yet…

  21. Can we trust Turkey?

    EDIT: I can see this getting a bit heated in the comments. I just want to clarify that this isn’t meant as an assault against turks. My question is regarding Erdogan and the complex relationship between Turkey and EU.

  22. Apologies for not following closely. Isn’t Turkey led by a questionably elected tyrant. Why would this be advantageous to a free Europe. 

  23. I don’t know about Turkey; they have always abused their NATO membership. Who says they won’t do the same with the new European coalition?

  26. Seeing as they have a big army with actual recent experience and are currently modernizing their army along with having provided drones for Ukraine I’d say it’s a no-brainer.

  27. Any EU/European Army should be VERY careful to consider current-day Turkey as a military ally.

    Right now Erdogan ( I guess ) is losing support. Will another semi-dictator like him be next? I remember, after the earthquake, news videos with people in the rubble saying they will vote for Erdogan (the person responsible for corruption) with 2 hands. My guess is they will prefer another semi-dictator in the future, keeping the status-quo.

    A whole different thing would be if Turkey would go the “more western alligned” route, especially central and eastern Turkey. That would be really something. With this type of Turkey, I think a RELIABLE mulitary alliance can be made.

  31. Good to know!
    Turkey’s armed forces are huge and Turks are scary as hell. Good allies!

  32. Forgive me, but you’re about to get into a cold (potentially hot) war with Russia, and you’re reluctant to ally with a nation which has the second largest military in NATO plus a nasty history with Russia?

    That seems odd.

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