Are you a feminist? It depends how you ask – While just 35% of Britons identify as a feminist, 83% believe men and women should be equal in every way
https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/51745-are-you-a-feminist-it-depends-how-you-ask
by Anony_mouse202
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Suppose we’ll wait to see what happens with conscription
This is interesting:
>Around two in five men aged 18-29 (37%) say they are a feminist when asked the direct question (i.e. the word-only group); this level of self-identification decreases the older one gets, with only 22% of men aged 60 and above sharing this view.
>In contrast, between 80-88% of men aged 50 and above are more likely to think men and women should have equal rights (the definition-only group) compared to 75% males aged 18-29.
>This pattern is also evident amongst women of a similar age, with 88% those aged 50 and above saying everyone should be treated equally (the definition-only group) versus 83% of 18-29 year old women.
The definition of feminism has changed in many people’s eyes since the third and fourth wave. I believe in complete equality for men and women but I do not identify as a feminist as I don’t agree with all of the radical new things they want.
Yeah feminism has some negative connotations these days so makes sense some people (who are definitionally feminist) don’t want to self identify as such.
I want as many people to have an equal opportunity and not everyone to have an equal outcome. Genders make different preferences so the outcome will never be even.
Anybody that tries to force an equal outcome is merely following their personal agenda and using ideology to sway people to their cause.
Well that is because feminists **do not** believe men and women should be equal – they think women are inherently better, and support advancing women even at the expense of men and equality.
Well are men and women equal in every way? No, that’s basic biology.
Should they have equal rights and opportunities in a modern society? Sure.
Can’t wait for all the comments talking about how feminists are bad, actually
If you’re asked if you’re a feminist by a feminist, and you say you are not, but you are an egalitarian, they tend to get annoyed.
I think for a lot of people we would say we were first or second wave feminists, but the modern direction of feminism is not all that appealing to many, and it’s also bizarrely divisive to say.
I stopped calling myself a feminist years ago after the #KillAllMen stuff. That was my final straw.
We should be equal, but I refuse to be lumped in with open misandrists that hate me for my sex.
I suppose it’s a good example of labels and how they get poisoned.
Like people were actually very positive about a lot of Jeremy Corbyns policies if you avoided using the word ‘Socialism’. And ‘Corbyn’.
I’m a feminist and I believe men and women should be equal, that’s what feminism is afterall. The new waves of feminism have tried to make it more than that, and we should remind them that such a goal is not feminist at all. Feminism is for men and women, we all deserve equal rights. Let’s fight for just that
Always equality until only men are forced into war
Edit 2: This is the reality of the world. Fighting age males will always be priority to be conscripted, history backs this and countries that are currently at war also follow this trend. If you think the UK will be any different, you are deluded.
I was looking at the previous version of this survey recently. It’s more of a semantics thing really.
I guess feminist is a bit of a loaded word to many.
That’s because feminism doesn’t mean gender/sex equality any more. It means at best selective equality for women; at worst establishing female privilege everywhere and anywhere possible.
There are different levels of feminism.
There’s feminism that preaches equality, that wants society to acknowledge their femininity but have no affect on how society treats them, other than as equals.
There’s also radical feminism, that takes that to the extreme, and a subset of radical feminism that treats transgender folk as an enemy to them
I imagine most people are into the idea, but think feminism as a label is pejorative to that idea or think feminism is now an enemy of men, when most of the time it isn’t even like that.
Even without the definition 11% of people don’t think women and men should get equal pay?
Statistically, at least one of these people probably got lost in a revolving door today.
As well as what a lot of people have said about issues surrounding radical feminists poinsioning the word, i think there’s also another factor
Many people I’ve spoken to would only consider someone a feminist if they actually engaged with feminist theory/literature, went to protests, were politically active etc, so someone who believes in equality but isn’t actively doing anything wouldn’t count as feminist.
Part of my job is candidate selection and I’ve been forced to choose *significantly less qualified* (in some cases straight up under-qualified or unqualified) engineers just because they’re women and our engineering department is 70% male.
In one instance I was told from higher-ups to pick a female candidate for an intermediate role, and the only female candidate who bothered to do the competency test was a graduate who got a 2:1 with no relevant experience.
Total equality for men and women hasn’t been on the menu for a damn long time. Women have special career pathways in STEM only comparable to men with highly influential parents.
I only subscribe to the dictionary definition of feminism. ‘The advocacy of women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes’.
Speaking as a self-identified feminist, I’m OK with this. The important thing is wanting equality regardless of sex. If you’re on board with that, then it’s all good with me, regardless of whether you identify as a feminist or not.
I would say no, because I don’t actively fight for rights or read up on it.
But it’s true – I don’t really know what a feminist is technically
Feminism is such a wide umbrella that both it’s supporters and critics can claim almost any belief or position is feminist. It becomes this motte and bailey argument where one moment feminism is defined as “believing men and women should be treated equally” and the next you have to buy into a huge range of secondary language and beliefs ranging from “Patriarchy theory”, to “the Duluth model” and disagreeing or questioning even one of them makes you verboten.
My irl experiences with self-declared feminists have been overwhelmingly negative and what I’ve seen them say and how I’ve seen them act in the media has been even worse.
It seems to me the loudest advocates of feminism don’t even care particularly about about feminism they just use it as a convenient prop to bully others.
To be fair I’m sure there are also a lot of people quietly getting on with good work or living their lives who have been inspired by feminism or it’s teachings. I’ve got no ill will towards them and wish them the best.
Personally I believe men and women should be treated fairly and equally but I’d never consider myself as a feminist.
Are you a men’s rights activist? It depends how you ask – While just 9% of Britons identify as a men’s rights activist, 83% believe men and women should be equal in every way
Feminism only focuses on women. Thats why a lot of people don’t identify with feminism, even though feminism is based off the philosophy that men and women should be equal.
Plus, feminists are cringe. That’s not very articulate, but it’s true.
Feminism is about equality and the ability to choose their life. Which to me means jobs women normally do are also valued with the kind of pay that make those jobs worth it. It also means boys in schools get the help they need to succeed as much as the girls.
I had a guy say to me that if I want equality women should be able to be hit just like men can. I proudly said I don’t want men to be hit ether as we should all be beyond acting like violent idiots no matter whats in our pants.
Feminism means bringing women up to the mens level in many situations but it also means not leaving men behind. We are all one people and should start acting like it.
It’s pretty simple, as much as many would like you to believe, feminism is not about equality: it’s about furthering women’s rights.
And they can talk all they want about cross sectionality and fourth wave as being it, but it will never consider the way society lets men down too. Poor educational outcomes, lack of spending support, and general chivalry that permeates justice, healthcare, through to who puts their lives on the line in war.
And there’s a word for equality already. It’s called egalitarianism. I’m an egalitarian. Not a feminist. Because I believe in equality for all, and for all issues to be dealt with.
And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. And anyone who gets upset at that needs their head examined because they’re part of the problem and I have no time for them.
I hope this research is noted if national service / conscription is introduced.
The why is blindingly obvious. There are a lot of shitty opinions held by people who call themselves feminist, and the overwhelming majority of men don’t want to be associated with that.
Don’t bother saying “they’re not real feminists”. It doesn’t matter. The fact is they have polluted the name.
I want equality. There’s a lot of work to do to finally make men equal and get equal rights. Would never call myself a feminist though, far too much modern evil associated with that term.
So, no then. The second question is “are you an egalitarian?”
A lot of feminism these days is just misandry dresses up as equal rights, thats why.
Well yeah. Feminism isn’t really about gender equality, it’s about women’s empowerment. There are loads of ways men are struggling and need help. Feminism isn’t interested in this. It was feminists who harassed the first men’s abuse shelter. It is feminists who attribute all of society’s problems to ‘toxic masculinity’. The only thing feminists have done for men is ‘he for she’ which basically said ‘we need to help men help women better’.
There’s already a terminology for actual equality: *Egalitarianism*.
I agree with everything feminism in its ideal form stands for.
I am not a feminist.
Last week, the UK Gov decided that they’re not gonna send teenage girls to prison anymore because “it doesn’t do anything to help them” and that 12% of all underage arrests being female was “a disgrace”.
We see article after article how boys are being left behind in school. And I see feminists comment that it’s men’s fault that boys aren’t getting grants.
Last month, the only male domestic abuse call center got closed down. Because it wasn’t needed. Apparently.
I didn’t see feminists speak up then.
TERFs (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists) insist that my wife isn’t a woman, and are actively working to make her life a living hell. At the same time, they’re burning their own protections as long as it means trans people suffer too.
Then I look at the kind of people who loudly proclaim to be feminists that ARENT TERFs.
People like Niel Gaiman.
No. I stand for everything feminism is supposed to stand for, but I am not a feminist. And my adamant refusal to be seen as such **REALLY** pisses off the ones I talk to.
I suppose to use the terminally online logic we find ourselves in, I’m an MRA. A left wing, nonbinary, trans inclusive MRA.
I am not a feminist.
Absolutely not a feminist.
I think women should have the same opportunities as men just as men should have the same as women.
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