Ukraine Must Cede Territory in Any Peace Deal, Rubio Says

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1. Senior US and Ukrainian officials have arrived in Saudi Arabia for high-stakes meetings on Tuesday aimed at repairing a severely damaged relationship that has left embattled Kyiv without Washington’s support.

   NBC News reported on Sunday that Trump would require more than just the minerals deal in order to resume deliveries of military aid and renew intelligence sharing with Ukraine. The outlet reported that Trump expected Ukraine to agree to key concessions for US support to resume, including a willingness to concede territory to Russia as part of peace talks and movement toward elections as well.

   Now, Marco Rubio said that Ukraine will indeed have to give up territory in a peace agreement with Russia, but Russia will also have to make serious concessions. The US has not stopped providing Ukraine with the intelligence that helps it defend itself, and talks in Saudi Arabia discussed renewing security assistance to Kiev. Trump has threatened Russia with sanctions, and the US is determined to show that it can also pressure Russia to come to the negotiating table.

2. Not sure if it’s the more optimal thing to say in public given peace negotiations, but obviously they’ll have to cede territory. Some like to act all macho especially given apparent European “revival,” but note no one ever offers to send troops. Amazingly, half of Europe isn’t even willing to send troops to maintain **peace** after a deal is signed. How can you affect the outcome anyway when more has been paid to Russia for oil and gas than in aid to Ukraine.

3. Giving Russia stolen land to “end the war” is peak MAGA logic—like saying the best way to stop bank robberies is to give the thieves your PIN. But sure, let’s take diplomacy lessons from the party that thinks Mexico already paid for the wall.

4. Rewarding russia for invading it’s neighbor sure will teach them a lesson to never try that sh*t again!

5. Realistically, the Ukrainians know that this would have to happen for a chance of peace. But what you don’t do is announce all of this before talks take place. You weaken yourself going into negotiations. The Yank politicians just do not give a damn.

6. I hate this administration. Ukraine needs ammunition not talks. Slava Ukraini

7. While it might be true, it’s a terrible idea to say it out loud before negotiations even start. By doing that, you’re already setting the bar so low that Ukraine wouldn’t have much room to negotiate. If Ukraine were ready to completely surrender, why would they even bother involving the US in the first place? It’s not just about giving up territory that Ukraine is concerned about, their bigger worry is getting some kind of real security guarantees. How are they supposed to negotiate for that when you’ve already shown your hand to the other side? At this point, it’s pretty clear whose side Trump is really on.

8. Has there been any mention what Russia would be asked to give up? If Ukraine gives up land, that is an automatic uneven trade as it’s giving the attacker exactly what they want.

   Has to be European and USA troops on the ground in Ukraine, with their military securities to keep Russia from ignoring a deal like they always do, and attack Ukraine again in the near future.

9. It’ll take western European or US boots on the ground to force them out, otherwise the Ukrainians would’ve done it by now. There’s no appetite for that right now. Money, intelligence and equipment is an easier sell than soldiers coming back in body bags. Trump knows this, and so do the other leaders, so why waste time on it.

10. I mean hes not wrong, its a fact. Russia is never going to let the occupied territories slip away

11. This is how they blew the Afghanistan treaty talks years ago. By giving away the game before they even sat down at the table.

12. This is very on brand for the GOP:

    Step 1: cut funding for something you don’t like (education, healthcare, Ukraine etc…)

    Step 2: when that program fails because of lack of funding, you claim the idea should be scrapped (public schools suck, Ukraine can’t never win)

    Step 3: replace it with your own stupid idea (school vouchers, Ukraine surrenders)

13. Ukraine cedes territory controlled by Russia in exchange for the remaining part of Ukraine becoming a NATO and EU member seems like a difficult, but ultimately fair negotiation to the current situation. Both sides gain something they want and lose something they don’t want.

    But I doubt we’ll see something proposed by the Trump administration. I wonder what concessions they’re expecting Russia to make, because so far it hasn’t seemed like much at all

14. They are not going to go for that, they will fight for their land and people. The Inited States would never cede any territory if it happened to us.

15. Does Russia even want to make peace? How did they signalled that at all? Why are even supposing that they are ready to do that?

    They are far from accepting anything beyond getting everything they have asked for.

    Of course they are ready to stop, IF Ukraine is promised left unattented by the West and Russia can get off from the sanctions list and can do a retry in a couple of years.

    So what is Mr Polo talking about here? Because this sounds to me just like a big fat appeasement deal and nothing else.

16. What kind of negotiating strategy is this? Going in with publicly stating accessions before the beginning of the talk? A pro-Putin and pro-territorial war one.

    Rubio is now fully Trumps creature if there was any doubt. As Trump is Putins.

17. How about Europe stop funding Russia war by buying gas elsewhere 😂. doesnt make sense for USA to keep funding Ukraine while europeans keep beign dependent on russian gas, something that trump warned them in 2018 and they all ridiculed him.

    This war will be a stalemate if US and Europe keeps funding both side of the war.

18. The most relevant part of this is that Russia’s military is such a joke nowadays that after 3 years and an influx of foreign troops as backup, they still couldn’t even conquer *half* of Ukraine. Even if they lose a third of their territory, Ukraine won this war in that they still exist. Russia should be humiliated.

19. Many people won’t like this, but there can be lasting peace, despite territorial concessions. Look at Finland, they gave up a sizable chunk of land after the Winter War and WW2, The Moscow Peace Treaty and Paris Peace Treaties cemented this loss of land and made it official. This annexation had no cascading effect and resulted in borders that hold until this day.

    Despite fears that Europe is next, I would say this is very unlikely. The human and material cost of such full scale wars is simply not sustainable and there is no appetite for large scale conflict in Russia, Europe nor America.

20. Crimeia… Ukraine officially guve that up or the Russia land they took over

21. Did people think it was gonna turn out in any other way? Ukraine has been fighting a stalemate battle for 3 years. Some would argue the stalemate goes back to 2014.

    Of course it’s not fair to Ukraine and I’d rather things have gone differently, but I see no way out of ending this war otherwise besides starting WW3.

    Also, people are blaming Trump for adopting a common sense position over a stalemate proxy war that the Biden administration created.

    Don’t blame the Trump team for a battlefield situation that the Biden team crafted. If Biden truly wanted Ukraine to have a full victory, he would’ve calibrated his policies to ensure that scenario.

22. How does this even make sense?

    “We’re gonna keep helping you fight this war, but only if you give up key locations that could help you win it”

    Huh?

23. So Russia can do the same thing over and over to take more territory?

24. What if the ‘Peace Deal’ is only being put out there as a way to allow russia to recover and prepare for another attack? Seems like russia would just use a pause in hostilities to rebuild and continue attacking at a not much later date.

25. So Russia gets the land it invaded

    And lets not kid ourselves, Trump wants elections to install a puppet of him and Putin. Else, Zelensky has almost 70% acceptance why do they pressure so much for elections? Even the Ukranian opposite party said they dont want elections at least for the next 6 months.

26. For people so fixated on making deals, they are awfully inept at brokering them.

27. Russia shouldn’t have its sanctions lifted, any
    Lifting by sanctions especially from Europe would show legitimacy if Russia does indeed get to keep the territory.

28. Why?

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