EU chief says member countries must use a new defense loan to buy European, not American

https://apnews.com/article/eu-defense-spending-us-ukraine-8cbd54ba81c086aa8e47ea3a0971febb

by Snowbound-IX

26 comments

  1. Since Trump took office, the US is not a reliable partner anymore. We URGENTLY need to build our own services and enhance those that already exist.

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  3. The end goal should be an outright ban across the EU on buying American equipment. 

  4. Again, the same thing. Europe is able to launch an arms industry, but currently, the delivery dates for equipment are at least 5+ years and with our best will, to shorten it to less than 5 years will be impossible probably. Simply, Europe has slept through a lot, and certainly the last three years of the war in Ukraine and now the arm industry reconstruction will take time.

    So I will ask, how is the eastern flank supposed to arm itself with, because it cannot wait for 5+ years? With what? (For now Lithuania have to wait to 2035 for Leopard tanks).

    So one is theory when it comes to loans, and another is facing the fact that loans granted in this way to the eastern flank will have little effectiveness, and this is exactly the area that we need urgent and the largest funding at the moment.

    We in Europe like to “have good ideas” and “right”, and then stir the tea with a spoon, waiting for it to magically become sweeter.

    Additionally, it is not everything about USA, but other suppliers which may provide arms.

  6. Even though 150 billion is peanuts, still good to see it will be invested in Europe.

  8. Sounds very sensible, keep the money in the EU to support EU jobs. I say this as a Brit.

  9. That backfired on Trump pretty spectacularly. USA is a big weapon exporter, and it fuels their military industrial complex.

  10. Europe products or EU products because we Bosnians can offer fine assortment of true and tested ordnance.

  11. Von Der Leyen agreeing with a French proposition

    I’ve seen everything

    I can die happy

  12. Loosing some defense contracts is fine to most Americans if the EU members of NATO actually start contributing larger amounts to the defense of Europe.

    The US wants Europe to spend more even if they are only buying internally.

  13. So does this mean France got what they wanted and non EU countries that are still European, UK and Norway won’t be part of this? Or not? 

  14. Anything that can be bricked by the seller either remotely or through refusal to trade replacement parts should not be bought anywhere. and with the current situation definitely not from the US or Russia.

  16. Surely that should be the absolute least??? We can’t prepare for trouble with the US by paying them and having their stuff which is probably sabotaged. No more deals with traitors and backstabbers.

  19. And isn’t that exactly what makes European arms, ammunition and anything else defence related better, as well, investing in them — and Europe and its defence stronger in general?

    Investing in arms in the U.S. only makes the U.S. stronger.

    And I wouldn’t trust Trump wants Europe to succeed anymore. If we were to buy vehicles or systems for defence from them, they could sabotage them.

  20. Part of all the upcoming spending should be spent on accelerating the programs designed to replace F35 like FCAS and Tempest. I feel like they’re not being sufficiently discussed on European level.

  21. Yep, Rafales and Typhoons can’t get neutered remotely like the F-35

  23. That’s my girl!

    But,seriously…Trump we cannot defend ourselves, if he invades.We will have to resort to guerilla warfare,we all know how much americans like that 😀

    And for Putin, whatever we can produce here, should be enough.Trumpelon administration weapons would not work against Russians anyhow,now that they are one big happy oligarchy dictatorship family.

  25. The Netherlands just rejected ReArm anyway an hour ago, if any Dutch can expand upon it, would be good. Can they revote ReArm or what is going on?

  26. don’t buy from Anduril UK – it’s an american company, peter thiel invested in it

    it’s a Trojan horse

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