The Viral ‘Debate’ Video That Proves Most MAGA Voters Are a Lost Cause
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-viral-debate-video-that-proves-most-maga-voters-are-a-lost-cause/
The Viral ‘Debate’ Video That Proves Most MAGA Voters Are a Lost Cause
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-viral-debate-video-that-proves-most-maga-voters-are-a-lost-cause/
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[the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js15xgK4LIE&ab_channel=Jubilee)
Absolutely bonkers
They really showed how deeply uneducated they really are.
Its the blind self-assurance that even actual verifiable proof does nothing to sway – like that person insisting that government agencies get tax write-offs for ‘DEI hires’ when they are literally funded by tax money as government agencies.
Also, that unabashed white supremacist lady just coming out and saying it was truly insane. ‘whats wrong with xenophobic nationalism?’ – as if that question is some kind of gotcha.
I think also that this casting call obviously picked some real doozies on purpose that doesn’t accurately reflect the majority of that political/voter base, since that makes for better viewing.
I watched the whole thing, I used to have hope for the youth but they are just going to have the same challenges
Sam Seder is the best. Another way to show why they are lost to change is reading thru the Flaired Users in their little quilting club sub. Here’s how they evolved with MAGA:
Flaired User last year: “The libs are fear mongering… They are not touching SS!”
Flaired User in January: “Musk is only going after all the fraud and dead folks collecting!”
Flaired User now: “SS is a Ponzi scheme! We need to get rid of it and start over!”.
Come on bird flu!
It’s so sad but truth and facts don’t matter to them. It’s all emotional and personal. They think they are winning.
Being tax exempt is a basic concept. We are doomed.
>Rather, I’m trying to make the point that these conservative influencers were selected, presumably, because they represent the averagely-informed MAGA voter—or at least the average, attention-hungry MAGA voter—and **yet are flatly wrong about** ***almost everything.***
All of the “liberals need to stop talking down to trump supporters!” talk comes back to this. All of the “why doesn’t the media feature pro-trump surrogates!” talk comes back to this. All of the “but we’re all Americans, we can disagree!” talk comes back to this.
How do you find commonality with people who ‘disagree’ about observable realities and basic principles like rape is bad’? How do you not talk down to people that believe these kinds of things? Why should the media feature their surrogates when their surrogates simply aren’t capable of defending donald trump and telling the truth at the same time? And this is not even getting into the “we love trump because he makes liberals angry!” talk.
They don’t live in reality and the reality in which they do live is fueled by hatred and conspiracy.
We’ll stop calling them misinformed brain deficient bigots when they stop acting like misinformed brain deficient bigots.
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The maga guy getting dunked on social media by maga commentators was pretty funny. Best I can tell, they saw a hispanic guy that was kind of effeminate and just assumed he was a liberal.
Sam is also my favorite burger restaurant inspector
They are a lost cause.
until the leopard eats their faces this ignorance and blind trump allegiance will continue and strengthen
Well it’s nice to see the rest of America getting to learn who Sam Seder is. Hope y’all are learning something now.
This answers the “20 toddlers vs a grown man” question.
“I personally, as well as many transexual friends -”
Not a single person that has trans friends uses the term “transexual friends.” That guy was really making up shit left and right.
Ah yes, the government pays the government taxes and when the government doesn’t pay the government taxes the government arrests the government.
I feel like that guy who said government agencies pay taxes is getting most of the attention but that blonde girl who was just openly and happily a white supremicist is what scared me most
Its a sad fact, but its by definition impossible to have a sensible argument with people who dont accept provable facts as true just because they dont like them.
Our democracies globally are in grave danger if that group of people (i.e people who are willfullly and proudly ignorant of facts) becomes the majority.
Or as NOFX once wrote a bit more crass “majority rule doesnt work in mental institutions”.
I just had a lifelong friend tell me the tariffs are awesome, and that farmers are gonna sell more than ever. I asked where and to whom are they gonna sell when their markets are gone? He got visibly confused, like his programming broke. I used the analogy of Costco. Costco was an american company but wanted to make a lot more money so they put stores in foreign countries to do so. Now they make waaayyy more than they used to just selling to americans. I asked do you think if costco lost their foreign stores that they would still make as much?
What I hate most about all of this is I have lost friends to propaganda and lies, good people who have given up their reasoning. I also hate that we will all suffer the consequences of this bullshit.
Really just showed how nobody knows what the hell DEI actually is. They just think it means racism towards white people
To the guy who fixated on “She was only chosen cause she’s a black female”.
The following people were chosen because they were white males first and foremost:
George Washington: (1789-1797)
John Adams: (1797-1801)
Thomas Jefferson: (1801-1809)
James Madison: (1809-1817)
James Monroe: (1817-1825)
John Quincy Adams: (1825-1829)
Andrew Jackson: (1829-1837)
Martin Van Buren: (1837-1841)
William Henry Harrison: (1841)
John Tyler: (1841-1845)
James K. Polk: (1845-1849)
Zachary Taylor: (1849-1850)
Millard Fillmore: (1850-1853)
Franklin Pierce: (1853-1857)
James Buchanan: (1857-1861)
Abraham Lincoln: (1861-1865)
Andrew Johnson: (1865-1869)
Ulysses S. Grant: (1869-1877)
Rutherford B. Hayes: (1877-1881)
James A. Garfield: (1881)
Chester A. Arthur: (1881-1885)
Grover Cleveland: (1885-1889, 1893-1897)
Benjamin Harrison: (1889-1893)
William McKinley: (1897-1901)
Theodore Roosevelt: (1901-1909)
William Howard Taft: (1909-1913)
Woodrow Wilson: (1913-1921)
Warren G. Harding: (1921-1923)
Calvin Coolidge: (1923-1929)
Herbert Hoover: (1929-1933)
Franklin D. Roosevelt: (1933-1945)
Harry S. Truman: (1945-1953)
Dwight D. Eisenhower: (1953-1961)
John F. Kennedy: (1961-1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson: (1963-1969)
Richard Nixon: (1969-1974)
Gerald Ford: (1974-1977)
Jimmy Carter: (1977-1981)
Ronald Reagan: (1981-1989)
George H. W. Bush: (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton: (1993-2001)
George W. Bush: (2001-2009)
The “xenophobic nationalism is good” girl is a straight up Nazi and she should be called out as such. That’s just Nazi crap re-wrapped in some warped view of what “Americans” are even though who is American isn’t “European Christianity.” Tell that to the Irish and Italian immigrants of the early 20th century if being European and Christian was enough to be considered “American.”
I watched just the segment on DEIA, and I don’t know that I can suffer much more of that.
Except for the structure, this is exactly like my experiences “debating” with conservatives. Every person who say in front of him delivered lengthy, wandering monologues that diverted attention away from his thesis, whatabouted, and steamrolled his responses – even when they specifically asked him questions (exception going to the last guy, who opened with a loaded question and at least let him answer). One guy reminded me so much of my father in law that I had to pause the video for a breather. He went on and on and on, then when a response was being delivered, it was “hold on hold on hold on,” even laughing as if he himself were being steamrolled.
People sometimes approach politics on a high horse, asking if you’ve ever tried engaging with conservatives in person. This video is a brilliant example of why doing so can be detrimental to your health.
Sam is the man! A sane and normal adult with a brain. Just goes to show how alternate a conservative world is. Everything is just made up and based on feelings.
I commend Sam Seder for doing this. You can feel his pain
I was told – despite all the evidence before my eyes after the first four years (and now after a second bite at the apple) – I shouldn’t call his supporters stupid, and I should instead try to “meet them where they are”.
If “where they are”, is nowhere near a book, or an objective view of history, or a well informed opinion on current events, or a philosophy which embraces and celebrates our differences as the “feature” instead of the “bug” of what makes America great, I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to call it what it is, and just refer to it as fucking stupid.
People who get stuck in an ignorant worldview, and who dismissively, and disrespectfully, and thoughtlessly throw their vote away into the cistern of ugliness and ignorance (which has been the world of Donald Trump from DAY ONE – remember how he mocked that disabled journalist) in a manner which is now having such a negative effect on this entire nation deserve the label they get.
You can set aside the intolerance, bigotry, quasi-rascism, racism, and outright hatred for “others” – inasmuch as a number only shamefully fewer than 100% of his supporters exhibit these qualities – but the level of stupidity it took to allow this man to return to a position of power (when that prospect had been all but eliminated) is mind boggling.
Fuck every last one of these stupid fucking assholes.
I watched the whole thing and almost garantee these young adults are getting all their info from tik tok. Just open any book and they can be proven wrong
Sam Seder of the Majority report is a legend.
This is what is so maddening about modern media discourse.
Yes they are lost. No, they aren’t coming back.
Instead of wasting all this time, ink, and effort in “talking to Trump voters” perhaps anyone on fucking earth might consider engaging non-voters and finding out where they are coming from?
You know, that bloc that represents roughly 60% of the voting public? Lets ask them instead of focusing on the pants on head fuckwits who make up Trump’s base?
I find something inherently sad about young people being conservative. It’s the one time in your life you get to be idealistic and begin to form your own thoughts and beliefs. Also, young people should be challenging the norms, that is healthy for a society. Conservatives at it’s core is about preserving the norms not challenging them. Although Trump isn’t really Conservative. He is a right populist.
Why is it always the left who needs to appeal to the right?
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