Ukraine won’t recognize occupied territories as Russian as part of any peace deal, Zelensky says
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-wont-recognize/
Ukraine won’t recognize occupied territories as Russian as part of any peace deal, Zelensky says
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-wont-recognize/
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Good. They shouldn’t. They had a treaty with Russia and Russia broke it. Russia should leave Ukraine, including Chrimea, and pay for all the destruction it caused. Oh yeah, and return all the children they stole
Good. Nor should they.
It would leave them even close to NATO borders so Ukraine is just helping protect Russia ez
They may not, but Russia will. If they have possession and control.
I hate it to say but under trump it will probably be a “take what you have or lose anything”
Even from a purely pragmatic standpoint, how can they? It’s in blatant violation of Article 73 of the Ukrainian Constitution to do so without a full national referendum.
What concessions has Russia offered for a ceasefire?
Can’t wait for Trump to fuck this up like everything else he touches. Two inches to the right and the world could have been a better place… too bad all the leftists fell for the Russian/Hamas propaganda. I hope they’re proud of themselves.
I would not trade places with Vladimir Zelenskyy. He is under tremendous pressure and scrutiny at all times; there’s no way I wouldn’t have snapped, by now.
That said, I do wonder (as others here do) whether this position needs to be articulated in public at this crucial moment. Zelenskyy wants a durable ceasefire, I am sure – and of course he also wants a just and permanent agreement to end the war. But the permanent peace deal will come later (if it ever comes); right now, he ought to secure the ceasefire, in my sincere and humble opinion.
And they shouldn’t. It’s their land, Putlerists can go F themselves.
Look at this picture and listen to a leader standing strong in the face of oppression. Then think of another lead who mainly worries about if someone is wearing a suit and how many thanks they’ve said.
Very important.
This keeps the pressure on Putin, meaning the fight is gonna be escalated in Kursk.
Which also makes it harder for Putin since he is going to do ut troops back to continue the fight in Ukraine in Im guessing like 2-3 weeks.
Btw did trump get the minerals ?
I think there’s a world where Ukraine can retake and justify Crimea and the Southern Region up to Mariupol, but the Donbas and Donestk regions are taken by Russia. They already have spent 11 years under Russian rule. Those lands I’d call ideologically and realistically lost back in 2014. But Crimea has seen a huge departure of Russian Military assets, as such it’s no longer a tactically useful area for them to hold. Ukraine have simply made it untenable with the level of attacks they’ve sent at Crimea.
“Compromise where you can. Where you can’t, don’t. Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye, and say ‘No, you move’.”
I don’t think the peace deal should list that as part of the requirements. Besides I don’t think Russia cares as long as they get to keep those territories.
I really really really really really really really really really really really really really hope this is true and stands
Edit: wait, this means Russia will stay occupying whatever land they have, but ukr won’t recognize it as russias? That’s kinda lame I wanted them to leave.
Fair enough, I don’t see a path to ending the war without some land concessions though.
Nor will the rest of us
Zelenskyy’s stance is indeed bold, but true leadership is never about taking the easy path, instead it’s about standing firm for what’s inherently right, even amidst the stormiest seas.
Recognising them as Russian would open a can of worms worldwide.
The wording is important here, “Ukraine won’t recognize occupied territories as Russian”.
I think this means Russia will keep control of the territory they currently hold, Ukraine will just never recognize it as part of Russia.
Somebody come to your house take you bathroom and kitchen.. to get a peace deal, you must give up those rooms
They may not recognize them has Russias. But Russia will be occupying them.
Eastern Ukraine seems to be headed towards something resembling Northern Cyprus. Occupied by another nation which claims sovereignty by conquest and ethnic history, not recognised by most of the world, with borders kept static by an international ceasefire. It’s definitely not the good ending, and has big implications for other parts of the world vulnerable to incursion by imperialist neighbours.
If Ukraine was forced to surrender these territories, imagine what that tells the rest of the world. You can just invade another country, take their territory, and nothing will happen.
I’m sure that will work out fine
Ceding any annexed territory to Russia wouldn’t be a peace deal, it’d be a surrender.
Wait, I thought the Orange POS was going to solve this on Day 1?
Russia is the agressor, etc, etc, but aren’t the only alternatives either Ukraine has to cede territory or Russia has to be pushed out? Russia being pushed out means US/Euro forces in the order of battle which means WW3.
A good peace, done well really leaves both sides unsatisfied. Not my words, but those of my Balkan friends.
People are really wanting to see Russia punished heavily for this, but things like that do not happen in peace negotiations/ceasefire type of agreements. Punitive sanctions are only in play against a defeated power.
Russia either has to get something in return for no longer fighting, or Russia has to be beaten back. This is not a statement of value or politics, it’s simply part of the adult conversation.
None of this is easy, and even less of it is palatable.
They shouldn’t although I don’t see any world where Russia is OK with that. Which is fine, because fuck Russia but I do think Trump is going to do increasingly unhinged shit in response to this and Ukraine is in for a rough few years.
Honest question, what does the best possible off ramp look like in this situation? Typically a negotiation requires compromise. Both sides get some of what they want but not all of what they want. Otherwise the fighting keeps going.
What can Ukraine offer Russia aside from recognizing the occupied territories?
The way I see it, endless war is untenable. Ukraine wants the occupied territories back, Russia wants to keep them.
So in order for a ceasefire deal to happen one of two things needs to happen.
A: Russia keeps the occupied territories but offers something high value to Ukraine. And no, even though Russia is negotiating from a position of strength, “We won’t conquer even more shit.” is not a real offer.
B: Russia hands the occupied territories over to Ukraine in exchange for something of equivalent value.
I think most people would prefer B to A, but what does Ukraine have that could serve as a bargaining chip?
Serbia to this day doesn’t recognize Kosovo as independent. Not saying whether it’s right or wrong, but it’s a practice for nations not to recognize territories that unilaterally seceded or were taken from them.
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