COVID pandemic likely unleashed by lab mishap: Germany’s BND – DW – 03/12/2025

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1. >The BND reached its conclusions as early as 2020, the papers said, giving them a likelihood rating of 80% to 95%, but the assessment was kept from the public at the time.

   Now, I wonder how many other agencies reached this conclusion in 2020 and what reasons keep them from disclosing it to the public.

   I was an amateur biologist at the time, and I assessed that it was more likely a lab leak than a nature spillover. And I believe any person that have trained in biology should reach the same conclusion. And now I’m a conspiracist.

   The government would never waste a crisis. The whole COVID fiasco was a social experiment to test the state’s control over individuals.

2. So you’re saying it was no coincidence there was a lab researching coronaviruses in the ground zero city of a coronavirus pandemic? Who could have predicted this?

3. I will believe Western intelligence when they find the WMDs in Iraq.

   “Wuhan lab had some bad practices! That’s why it’s 90% likely unleashed by lab” is bs. It’s the WMD of iraq all over again. Just believe me bro! with no evidence.

4. Interesting how this theory is only entertained as long as the laboratory is located in China.

   That way nobody has to talk about the fact that in 2019 there was another laboratory doing research into “[Broad-spectrum coronavirus antiviral drug discovery](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7103675/)” (check out the part about vaccines), how said laboratory was closed after *two* “[containment breaches” in 2019](https://web.archive.org/web/20191128190802/https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/military/cdc-inspection-findings-reveal-more-about-usamriid-research-suspension/article_6d1d316e-4989-5307-924c-8608c25ef6f7.html), and a “[mystery respiratory illness](https://abcnews.go.com/US/respiratory-outbreak-investigated-retirement-community-54-residents-fall/story?id=64275865)” suddenly breaking out in nearby retirement homes, one so nasty that it even [knocked out the employees](https://archive.ph/MWJxo).

   Here’s a few quotes from these articles:

   > “Seeing a respiratory outbreak in a long-term care facility is not odd. … One thing that’s different about this outbreak is just that it’s occurring in the summer when, usually, we don’t have a lot of respiratory disease.”

   > McKnight’s Senior Living reported on Monday that 55 residents of Greenspring retirement community in Springfield, VA, had become ill, with 20 hospitalized and two dying. Tuesday, the Fairfax County Health Department said the count of sick assisted living and skilled nursing residents had increased to 63 and the death count had increased to a total of three. Additionally, 19 employee illnesses now have been reported as well, the department said.

   > “There were several bacteria that were identified, but again, older people in a facility may carry these bacteria normally without them causing illness,” he said.

   So they tested for bacteria, but none of the reporting from back then (as far as it can still be found) even mentions the possibility of a virus. Afaik the bloodsamples of this “mystery respiratory disease” outbreak were never tested for COVID, but they should still be at the CDC, the whole incident later simply burrowed by a flood of news and articles insisting on calling it a [“China virus!” that happened because “Chinese people eat bats!”](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/).

   Now before I get downvoted for *”Loving China and hating the US!”*, let me please point out that another global deadly disease outbreak, that of the “Spansih Flu”, most likely also didn’t emerge in Spain, but [rather in North America](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6381288/) and moved from there to Europe via Canadian and American troops. But even that ain’t a 100% certainty, it’s just the best guess we have, a century after the fact.

   Yet in public discourse disease still got named after Spain because in WWI Spain was neutral, didn’t have media censorship going on, so it ended up being the first major country to actually report about the outbreak.

   Which brings us right back to the source and timing on this: The Bundesnachrichtendienst is not a very trustworthy party, they already helped in the early 2000s [spreading known falsehoods to justify invading Iraq](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafid_Ahmed_Alwan) and even [helped with the actual invasion itself](https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/those-guys-are-heroes-how-german-agents-helped-pave-the-way-into-iraq-a-596584.html), while the German government was faking resistance to the “[intervention](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2002/08/12/our-intervention-in-iraq/cf84cd55-684f-4243-9234-d7d85ec7e6d5/)”.

   That’s because the BND is the result of a [post-WWII CIA operation that recruited former Wehrmacht intelligence](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_Gehlen), that CIA operation would later become the: Bundesnachrichtendienst, West Germanys foreign intelligence service.

   The same BND that to this day [helps the NSA spying on everybody in Germany](https://netzpolitik.org/2017/spionage-unter-freunden-der-bnd-hat-eine-geschichte-der-unterwanderung/), German companies and chancellors included, while also [lying to the Bundestag](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nsa-bundesnachrichtendienst-koennte-bundestag-getaeuscht-haben-a-1030442.html) about it.

   In the US there was just a change of leadership, with the new leadership prioritizing China as the enemy above all else, and now we get this bit of “news” from the BND, a bit of “news” that in the long-term could be construed as at least part of a casus belli very similar to what was done with Iraq.

5. Damn, I really didn’t want to believe this was true. Thought it was just tinfoil theories, especially with Trumpo blabbing about it in Term 1 along with all the other loonies.

   But it’s starting to seem more credible now that others are giving weight to it.

   So I spent months locked in and got infected twice because of an incompetent lab tech? Fuck.

6. More American propaganda to undermine the biggest economic competitor to the now lagging US economy? Not surprised. Besides, wasn’t that lab in Wuhan part operated by UK and US as part of their covert bioweapon research?

   No better way to subvert the BWC convention on bio weapons than to do it on foreign soil where you can claim ignorance.

   I haven’t believed US anti-china propaganda at all since the tiktok > LittleRedBook migration exposed it.

   Dying superpower doing anything to maintain relevance, even Electing a felon with an unelected wannabe supervillain pulling their strings if it maintains hegemony

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