Knowing multiple people in the nursing field some who work through intrim agency while others are employed by hospitals and elderly care facilities, I can only see this trend rising. I know more than a few who are thinking to make this step themselves and rightfully so from what I’ve heard. Aside from additional perks those intrim agencies they just take way better care of their employees and value them way more. If something goes wrong in the ways of a safe and healthy work environment at a care facility they go and talk to them and demand that the facility fixes it rather than telling the employee to suck it up. They don’t guilt trip their employees into taking over other shifts to the point of burnouts either.
I do get that this is bad for the care in general as working with full time contracted employees is just better in the sense that they know the place they work better. I do think this is a necessary step to finally get nurses a decent pay and apreciation though.
The solution is obvious: better conditions for health workers on a regular contract. The problem they have is that they can’t really go on strike, since patients would suffer. But the unions should leverage this to get better conditions for the regular workers as well. Instead of asking the government nicely and protesting on the streets, which didn’t work all of the pandemic, our lawmakers are now on a timer. There are groups in society that have trouble finding work, put 2 and 2 together and save the sector.
Paying higher wages and paying the interim is possible but giving a raise to permanent staff is not?
*dat verpleegkundigen en zorgkundigen bij hen vertrekken en terugkeren via een interimkantoor, maar dan wel hogere lonen vragen, aangepaste werkuren en heel vaak ook extralegale voordelen als een wagen. Zij zijn als uitzendkracht niet gebonden aan de loon- en arbeidsvoorwaarden die wij met de vakbonden hebben afgesproken.*
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Sounds lik the unions need to step their game up.
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I wonder, is this what’s know in the states as “travel nurses”? I heard some crazy amounts of dollar/hour for some of those travel nurses.
“If you quit and start working here again as an interim, you’re getting a massive raise!” *Quits and starts working again as interim.* “Wait you weren’t supposed to actually do that.”
Also hilarious how they claim it’s “not ethical” to compete for workers. The sad part is, they’re not just pretending to think that, they actually do think that. If you quit your job as a nurse, you basically need to go work in a completely different region because anyone who knows your previous employer will refuse to hire you. It’s an unwritten rule in the sector that you need to blacklist anyone who has quit a job with your colleagues, and if you hire them anyway, you’re shunned and accused of stealing employees.
The whole system is designed to keep people insecure about their jobs. Even when there’s a huge shortage of nurses, you need to stay at the first place you worked because if you quit, you’re basically unemployable. That way, the sector can systematically underpay their employees and ignore any labour rights they have.
The fact that they literally admit this way of working in the news, by accusing interim companies of being “unethical” for offering workers a better wage, is unbelievable though.
Installed payment ceiling and made it impossible to strike and now they are surprised educated people (bachelor nurse is a 4 year education) will find work arounds to get a decent pay in a high demand sector.
Don’t forget it’s government and clinics who set the rates, it isn’t a free market.
Meanwhile doctors earn (gross) easily 8-12 fold and more if specialized. Not that doctors shouldn’t earn decent buck but can you fucking blame nurses?
We clapped during the crisis and went on with our lives.
Pff, they only need to look at them selves. Have better conditions. It’s the same in insurance. You quit, go to detachment come back to the same employer. Same with freelancers. Adjust or close down…
The ethical argument feels kinda wrong, if another employer offers better pay and working conditions an employee would be foolish not to change.
This leaves hospitals with 2 choices, either pay up for expensive contractors or improve the pay and conditions for their own employees.
This is no different than any other industry and has nothing to do with ethics.
wtf how bad are these job conditions that you would actually want to work via a interim.
Like how bad can you mess up things that people switch to interim wich is looked as a negative in every other sector in the country…
Good, it is one of my biggest frustrations when employees cannot appeal to the mechanisms of capitalism while employers can.
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Knowing multiple people in the nursing field some who work through intrim agency while others are employed by hospitals and elderly care facilities, I can only see this trend rising. I know more than a few who are thinking to make this step themselves and rightfully so from what I’ve heard. Aside from additional perks those intrim agencies they just take way better care of their employees and value them way more. If something goes wrong in the ways of a safe and healthy work environment at a care facility they go and talk to them and demand that the facility fixes it rather than telling the employee to suck it up. They don’t guilt trip their employees into taking over other shifts to the point of burnouts either.
I do get that this is bad for the care in general as working with full time contracted employees is just better in the sense that they know the place they work better. I do think this is a necessary step to finally get nurses a decent pay and apreciation though.
The solution is obvious: better conditions for health workers on a regular contract. The problem they have is that they can’t really go on strike, since patients would suffer. But the unions should leverage this to get better conditions for the regular workers as well. Instead of asking the government nicely and protesting on the streets, which didn’t work all of the pandemic, our lawmakers are now on a timer. There are groups in society that have trouble finding work, put 2 and 2 together and save the sector.
Paying higher wages and paying the interim is possible but giving a raise to permanent staff is not?
*dat verpleegkundigen en zorgkundigen bij hen vertrekken en terugkeren via een interimkantoor, maar dan wel hogere lonen vragen, aangepaste werkuren en heel vaak ook extralegale voordelen als een wagen. Zij zijn als uitzendkracht niet gebonden aan de loon- en arbeidsvoorwaarden die wij met de vakbonden hebben afgesproken.*
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Sounds lik the unions need to step their game up.
​
I wonder, is this what’s know in the states as “travel nurses”? I heard some crazy amounts of dollar/hour for some of those travel nurses.
“If you quit and start working here again as an interim, you’re getting a massive raise!” *Quits and starts working again as interim.* “Wait you weren’t supposed to actually do that.”
Also hilarious how they claim it’s “not ethical” to compete for workers. The sad part is, they’re not just pretending to think that, they actually do think that. If you quit your job as a nurse, you basically need to go work in a completely different region because anyone who knows your previous employer will refuse to hire you. It’s an unwritten rule in the sector that you need to blacklist anyone who has quit a job with your colleagues, and if you hire them anyway, you’re shunned and accused of stealing employees.
The whole system is designed to keep people insecure about their jobs. Even when there’s a huge shortage of nurses, you need to stay at the first place you worked because if you quit, you’re basically unemployable. That way, the sector can systematically underpay their employees and ignore any labour rights they have.
The fact that they literally admit this way of working in the news, by accusing interim companies of being “unethical” for offering workers a better wage, is unbelievable though.
Installed payment ceiling and made it impossible to strike and now they are surprised educated people (bachelor nurse is a 4 year education) will find work arounds to get a decent pay in a high demand sector.
Don’t forget it’s government and clinics who set the rates, it isn’t a free market.
Meanwhile doctors earn (gross) easily 8-12 fold and more if specialized. Not that doctors shouldn’t earn decent buck but can you fucking blame nurses?
We clapped during the crisis and went on with our lives.
Pff, they only need to look at them selves. Have better conditions. It’s the same in insurance. You quit, go to detachment come back to the same employer. Same with freelancers. Adjust or close down…
The ethical argument feels kinda wrong, if another employer offers better pay and working conditions an employee would be foolish not to change.
This leaves hospitals with 2 choices, either pay up for expensive contractors or improve the pay and conditions for their own employees.
This is no different than any other industry and has nothing to do with ethics.
wtf how bad are these job conditions that you would actually want to work via a interim.
Like how bad can you mess up things that people switch to interim wich is looked as a negative in every other sector in the country…
Good, it is one of my biggest frustrations when employees cannot appeal to the mechanisms of capitalism while employers can.