1m people to have disability benefits cut by Labour
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/one-million-britons-disability-benefits-cut-s5kj0z7fc
by ethical-onetwo
1m people to have disability benefits cut by Labour
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/one-million-britons-disability-benefits-cut-s5kj0z7fc
by ethical-onetwo
42 comments
So Labour have chosen to kill off 1 million of their voters, bold move
The amount of people that will lose their lives because of this, is scary to think about.
People will die due to this.
Actual human beings will die, the labour party are passing a law that will kill disabled people.
utterly disgusting, and the copium from some defenders of this would not exist if it was the conservatives.
You are backing a policy that betrays the ideals the Labour party had pre 1990, you are backing a policy that betrays the most vulnerable in our society.
You’re half way there to voting tory in 20 years you just dont know it yet and dont dare sit there and cry if you find out a disabled friend has killed themselves after all their death was just one of the ‘hard choices’ that had to be made.
“I warn you not to be ordinary, I warn you not to be young, I warn you not to fall ill, and I warn you not to grow old.”
I just read
https://www.gov.uk/disability-premiums/what-youll-get
that disability is £82.50 a week for severely disabled.
I mean, how the hell can any human being live off £11.78 a day FOR LITERALLY EVERYTHING? Am I not understanding something?
This is literally Reforms policy. They proposed disability cuts to ‘encourage’ 1m disabled people into work. Madness.
I really dont understand starmers labour. He did something farmers dont like. Fair enough they vote tory. Pensioners with the winter fuel allowance and Capitualted to the unions again they vote tory and labour respectivly. it caused issues in his party but whatever it was minor stuff. Now hes going against people who vote for him. These things are pennies on the pound but are wildly unpopular. For the amount of political shit hes starting hes saving nothing. The real moneys in pensions and the nhs.
Hes doing minor tweaks and paying politicaly speaking for major reforms while purging his party. My best guess is he’s trying reform the labour party in his own image. Doing little things that will make those disloyal to him speak out then when they do bap them with a stick.
If im right theres going to be some serious changes in the last year of his rule.
“They’re just pretending to be right-wing to win power”
I’m pretty sure they just pretended to be left-wing to win the leadership election and now they’re back to business as usual.
this is terrifying to me
i’ve recently become disabled with severe post viral fatigue (me/cfs presumably because of covid) and my life has basically been ruined as a supposedly young and healthy 22 year old, now i’m dreading that i might need to give up on ever finishing my degree and having a chance of a good job, luckily i have parents who are well off enough to be able to support me living at home while i try and keep studying, but I’m so terrified that a few things could go wrong and i’d be completely screwed, and i’m really lucky as far as this goes. I’m not on any benefits or anything because I’ve only ever heard nightmarish things but I’m so scared I’ll have to go through the system if my health doesn’t improve just to afford to eat when i’m not relying on my parents anymore. I can’t see how this won’t end up killing people but apparently everyone in this country is okay with that.
Incredible. I volunteered in LD communities some years ago and their monthly upkeep was barely enough• For them going on a holiday was a stretch. It’s easier for Gov’ts to target the Vulnerable, they can’t fight back.
Labour will have big questions to answer after this.
No wealth tax, yes to disability benefits cut. Interesting approach.
Those cheering for cuts against the disabled need to pray they are never in a position to need it. I had a brain tumor out in 2023 that’s high possibility of recurring, I’m lucky to have a full time job because a company took a chance. How many people can honestly say if they were disabled tomorrow would have enough money to survive?
Say it how it is, evil bastards, throwing the weakest in society under the bus, there are many people with great wealth, that don’t want to give any of it up but people of the weakest should be sacrificed, seems pretty fucked up.
A family member of mine is long-term unemployed with severe depression. Like, diagnosed and in-therapy and has a high PHQ 9 score. No self-diagnosis rubbish. She’s really trying to improve herself.
I am now more worried for her because she’s on the higher end of these payments and could take a big hit. These higher payments don’t offer a high quality of life; I can’t imagine what it’s like for others.
I worry about anyone else out there who’s going through this alone with no support network. It’s hard to get subsidised therapy. I’m told it can take a while to people to self-refer.
This is fucked. There has to be a better way to find money
I get enhanced PIP.
If i need to go back to work full time it will kill me.
My care coridinator agrees.
30 years in high end kitchens doing 16 hour days.
Might sound dramatic but PIP has been a godsend for me.
Meanwhile triple lock remains untouchable, because human lives matter less than reelection. This is nothing new, but as society evolves it becomes less and less acceptable. My expectations were low but Labour aren’t living up to them
All benefits ,save Housing Benefit,which goes straight to the landlord/ lady and is never even seen by the recipient is being replaced by,not subsidised by,Universal Credit; hence the name.
This is because computers find it easier to work out.
Benefits actually develop money for government.
1) A small part of the tax you payed in whilst working is put into a high interest,low risk account.
As there is millions in this account, it earns itself double in about two days.
You cannot claim it for three weeks.
2) You start at the lowest possible level of benifit for your circumstances, which can be as little as £38 a week.
If you have more than £16,000 in savings you cannot have any benefits until a substantial amount has been devoured,leaving you totally dependent on the benefits system, deliberately designed to keep you signed on for as long as possible.
( Whilst politicians pretend you’re a burden and berate you.)
3) over a very long time,as your health worsens,you move up the scale.
4) You reach your maximum allowance.
The initial payment put in has no maximum.
5) If you come off benefits, the initial pay in remains in the account, never removed and constantly growing.
6) If you come off benefits, or are taken off,when you go back on, you start at a much lower level than you left.
They put in another payment.
In the election in which Brown replaced Blaire John Snow announced ,in his swingometer speech that benefits earned more money than ceramics and exports combined.
The person at the top of this debate is one of the liars you hear all the time; he doesn’t know hundreds of people diddling the dole and nobody gets thousands in benefits!
People do,in small numbers,fiddle the dole,but they never get as much as not spent/ given/ claimed by those entitled to it!
Almost every claim cheat is helped by someone working for the system; and in the 1990s,90+ staff embezzled from the system and not one went to jail.
This is just the normal politics of envy.
To which,tell you what,you can have the dole if you have the disability!
You think it’s fun to have cancer,chrons,cerebal palsy,be paraplegic, go ahead,find that magic lamp and wish it upon yourself.
Benefits people are not living the high life and partying- you’re confusing them with the tory party!
If it was about people gaming the system. Then they would make new measures to combat it. Why would it affect the severely disabled?
Because this government has a plan along with many other parties. To eradicate financial support for the disabled. Cut spending on support either that be education or living wise. This isn’t about scroungers, this is barbaric. We are a 1st world nation, why are we constantly attacking our disabled when our budget needs to be adjusted?
We need more funding for our disabled not less. You want more people in work? There’s a million young people not working today. You know why? The job market is tiny and asks the experience of the world for an entry level position.
Are they going to address that? No? Exactly. Tax dodging? No. The fact some disabled people want to work but can’t because of lack of support? No .
This isn’t the labour I knew. This country needs a new party. One that doesn’t run on cowardice.
Rebellion needs to occur asap by Labour MP’s in mass. Keir Starmer is solely focussed on being re elected in 2029 and is fearful Farage will defect to Tories and be contending against him for PM come 2029 so is trying to be essentially as far right on many issues to garner their support. Shameful.
For all to whom are in work to which do not give. damn about disabled people, I ask, how will you feel if you yourself become disabled and have to rely on benefits to live? Will you seriously be happy to paying for the MP’s salaries, food, bills and other expenses or those that are legit disabled?
Is the world mirroring Trump’s strategy to compromise the welfare of its people? Sheesh!
Remember folks dosent matter who’s in power it’s one big club and the majority of us aren’t in it…
Austerity was always going to make a come back… that’s if we ever left it in the first place
As someone who has a both physical and mental disability, there are no words in the English language that I can say to describe my opinion about this.
£40bn in uncollected taxes, according to the Government.
£1.8bn according to HMRC is avoidance.
There’s a £20bn “black hole” in the coffers.
But they’re going after £5bn of savings from the most vulnerable in society.
The maths ain’t mathing, somewhere…
Never support cuts for something you might need later.
If you never need to claim a benefit for a disability that’s amazing, but if you do, you really want it to be there. Of course, many people are selfish and don’t care until it impacts them directly.
It won’t even save money, just increase stress/depression, leading to more illnesses, more appointments, and Rachel’s “Rinse and Repeat” Reeves, it takes that money out of the economy.
Even her “rules” are just made shite the Tories used.
Want to save some money stop paying interest to banks on reserves, 20 to 40bn a year saving by returning it to pre 2008 levels. Yeah they fucked up the economy not only do we bail them out but then pay a yearly premium for it.
This is a death sentence to most of the disabled of this country and we might as well bring back the poor houses, as they will be needed.
As a disabled person myself, I know how hard it is to get a job if you are honest about your disability( funny how it says I am insulting myself, AI need to learn how to differentiate between that and saying things that are aimed at other people).
You’ll need an impossible amount of points to achieve, to get the full rate, which I don’t currently get anyway, nor would I expect to. So many people with ADHD, I’d say a million plus will have to work full time or for the first time in years. No jobs out there for theses people anyway, so I don’t know how the government doesn’t think they will have to walk back on that one.
I mean with how this sub was eager for increased defense spending and monetary support to ukraine nobody should be surprised.
1 million disability is a high number, how does UK produce so many people like this? How does this compare to other countries?
They learned all the wrong lessons from the Tories doing this
From my understanding, it’s a decrease in the planned increase. So just to make it clear, it’s still going up but by less. If the conservatives had done this it would be called an increase in most the press. Because overall, it still is. Don’t get me wrong, they should get more not less, just pointing out the headline, as usual is misleading.
does anyone know roughly how long it will take for this to go into effect?
For too long the disabled and vulnerable have been able to do disgusting things like *feed themselves* and *not live in squalor*, NO LONGER WILL THAT REIGN OF TERROR FROM THEM BE UPON US! **/s**
Starmer is functionally indistinguishable from a David Cameron era Tory.
JFC the numbers of people on this thread with the tired ‘Where I grew up everybody around me was claiming benefits and driving around in Bentleys and going on world cruises!’.
Stop lying. You knew a couple of people at best, who sat at home living very sad and unenviable lives gaming a pittance out of the system. It costs more to police them than it saves.
This policy is performative cruelty. And I’m a Labour voter.
The last time sweeping cuts like this were made, was by Ian Duncan Smith, and people died.
Money cut, so people’s power was cut, and 1 guys insulin went bad, he died from diabetic coma.
Reviewing the benefits is a good idea, but these things invariably have some KPI attached meaning that % savings have to be made, even if doing so puts people at risk.
So benefits will be cut, people will die, KPIs will be met (even without any attempt to establish what the correct level of cuts are actually necessary)
And none of it will actually be reviewed to see if the assumptions of the cuts required is real or not.
If the £1b in benefits turns out to only need to be £0.5b, then great, but no one will check first, they will announce the target without knowing if indeed 100% of the benefits is actually needed, then reduce them, and see who dies or gets made homeless, which shifts the cost to a different budget.
Guessing it’s £xb without actually reviewing every case is utterly dangerous
I hate the focus on pushing people to work, being put on disabled people. I personally used to work, despite suffering with mental health conditions, I still worked and thrived. Until my company discriminated against me and threatened to fire me for my mental health. This broke my mental health to the point where I can’t work anymore.
If they want people with mental health issues to work, they need to make workplaces a more supportive place for people with mental health issues. I’m sure lots of people out of work with mental health issues would love to work, but struggle to get jobs because of their mental, struggle to keep them because of how employers handle their mental health, and either feel discriminated against or have faced actual discrimination.
This isn’t just a people on benefits issue, it’s a workplace culture and protections issue.
There are transport and infrastructure parameters that could stop a disabled person willing to work, being unable to do so. How many wheelchair spaces are there on your bus ? Don’t even start me on how many are actually available !
Fucking Red Tories, as always the disabled, poor & forgotten pay the highest toll. Fuck them all.
The money for those luxury hotels have to come from somewhere.
Means test the state pension. People on cushy final salary pensions don’t need benefits from the state. It is not beyond a decent system, Denmark and Australia do means testing but all we hear is that it would cost too much so we continue giving rich pensioners free benefits. Problem continues.
It’s the single largest benefit and we spend as much of the state pension as half of the entire cost of the NHS, the figure is massive.
Money needs to come from somewhere, the best place isn’t those witn disabilities.
“Some of you may **DIE**! But that is a cut, I’m willing to take” – Top dogs in government
So much misinformation and vitriol in this thread.
The self awareness of some people is so fucking lacking at the moment. A lot of these people probably don’t realize that this will directly impact people they know who claim these benefits to keep their head above water and they don’t even realize it because there is such a stigma on being disabled.
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