People don’t like to change. Even if it’s in their best interest. Pretty strange to see it again and again.
From an educational point of view, this seems like a no-brainer. But damn, the timing is bad given the current teacher shortage and unpopularity of teaching as a profession.
I’m a teacher that would like to see a shorter holiday. I kind of lose ‘touch’ after the summer, and so do the pupils. And the one week holidays are too short to get work done, so extending those would work great. I understand the objections of principals and the supporting team more than the teachers’: they’re often at work the first two and the last two weeks of the summer break, so there would be way less left for them.
>”Zij geven aan dat de lange zomervakantie nodig is om voldoende tot rust te kunnen komen. Ze hebben daar nood aan (…)”
What kind of monstrous job is teaching to need two months of continuous vacation to recover from it? I mean I don’t know what I am talking about, but still, find it very hard not to be skeptic.. Though I guess the low popularity of the job speaks for itself.
At this point do we even want to attract teachers? because we sure seem like making it our best effort to chase away all teachers to other sectors.
The propagatos’ arguments for the change are: it’s better for the children, especially those who already have problems keeping up.
The teachers’ arguments against the change are: we like it like that, we need to be at least 2 months away from the pupils, and if we can’t have that we’re quitting.
So research. Much science. Many substantiated. Such method. Very data. Wow.
I’ll take that shortened summer holiday if they pay me the salary of a person with a masters’ degree, which they require me to have.
Teachers complaining about work pressure… You can only laugh at it.
Gf is a teacher and is against it for the main reason that during the 1 week holidays (Krokus en herfst), most pupils already forget too much of what they saw before the holidays. By extending those with another week as a compensation for the reduced summer holidays, she argues she will lose even more time on rehearsing the material from before the holiday.
The endless discussion of which job is harder will never end.
It’s impossible to compare jobs (especially how hard one is)
As a prospective teacher, I’d like them to shorten the summer holiday, while making all one-week vacations two week vacations.
I did an interim teaching job already and a one week vacation basically melts away into nothing with all the work I had.
Voorstander van inkorten. Is beter voor de jongeren en daar dient het onderwijs toch voor?
Als ik dan in het artikel lees dat velen kozen voor het onderwijs vanwege de langere zomervakantie, dan kan ik niet anders denken dat zulke mensen gewoon niet geschikt zijn om met passie les te geven als dit hun reden was…
Leerkracht kan dan nog een intensieve job zijn, ze krijgen nog altijd dubbel zo veel vakantie als in de privé, de balans is in evenwicht dan.
Never waste a good crisis.
Scientifically proven to be better for the children, but of course we discuss this at the level of the teachers.
Just do it, take the gutpunch and you’ll see results in two to three years.
<Insert “Why won’t anyone think of the children” meme>
Verhoging werkdruk?😂😂
Ik ben als zij instromer in het onderwijs beland, na dat ik al jaren iets anders gedaan heb, en nu nog steeds zelfstandig ben in hoofdberoep.
Ik kan dus best wel de vergelijking maken tussen de twee.
Ik denk dat je lesgeven in school A niet kan vergelijken met lesgeven in school B. Of toch lesgeven in richting A en richting B. Met wat geluk zit je in een klas met allemaal flinke enthousiaste leerlingen, met wat pech zit je in een klas met redelijk wat sociale gevallen waarbij je zowel in de les als buiten de lesuren veel werk aan hebt.
Dat gezegd zijnde ben ik dikwijls na 7 uur lesgeven stukken meer kapot dan dat ik 12 uur m’n andere job gedaan heb. Ik ben uren bezig na en voor het school, 2 maanden vakantie vergeet dat maar, andere vakanties ben ik bezig aan les voorbereidingen of vakwerkgroepen, of bijscholingen.
Ik moet dikwijls ‘s avonds blijven voor ‘t een of ‘t ander, heb dikwijls ‘s avonds laat nog een zoomgesprek, en krijg alle dagen van de week berichtjes van m’n collega’s en leerlingen.
Zo appeltje eitje is het dus helemaal niet, maar laten we eerlijk zijn: in welke job is dat wel zo?
Om de zoveel jaar is er wel een nieuwe minister die z’n naam wil zetten op het beleid. Maar als we niet investeren in onderwijs kunnen we alle goed betaalde bureau jobs ook vaarwel zeggen. En investeren in onderwijs is ook investeren in personeel
**Never underestimate logistics.**
I know quit a lot of school folks. In reality the 2 months are for most teachers effectively 2 months, minus maybe 2 weeks preparation for the next year. In that respect having a two months break seems a bit “off the charts”. As also for the kids: 2 months seems too much. I agree on that.
But… do not forget the organizing staff in larger schools. In reality they have now something like 1 month, may 5 weeks off. Why so? They have to deal with the running off of the last year, this takes at least 2 weeks, and they have to prepare the startup of the new school year, this takes also 3, sometime 2 weeks.
E.g. when a school with 100 teachers, you’ll probably going have to replace 5 or 10 of them (retirement, changing schools, other reasons) mostly at the beginning of the school-year. When are you going to do that recruitment , first week of september when everything is up & running? No. This will we be done during the holidays.
In reality their holiday starts mid July and ends mid August. Shortening the summer holidays means for those guys literally having no holiday at all. It would probably ruin their organisation, unless… it can be solved (and it all comes down to the same), more FTE’s can be put in place to help run the school instead of teaching.
It works just north of us why wouldn’t it with our schools.
I teach primary school, most of my colleagues would welcome the change. I guess it’s mostly secondary school teachers who dislike it.
I do feel like I should either teach less hours or get paid more in primary. Especially since I got my bachelor’s at a later age. My current pay really doesn’t serve as an incentive to keep this truly draining job.
The biggest thing people overlook is that as a teacher, you rarely feel like you’re off duty. There’s always more stuff you could be doing at home, because we don’t get sufficient paid prep time.
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My wife is a part-time teacher (12hours-20 is full-time) and she has more work than me (ft something else)
Emails never stop, late meetings (teams), constant schedule changes, correcting tasks, designing class material, designing tests and exams,…
Teaching is her passion but she’s really considering quiting it, despite the holidays off … Imagine!
Honestly believe this kind of ‘news’ is merely launched to divide et impera and create a fuss. 100% of people here know this is never going to happen. Unionized government officials that are going to give in on acquired rights? Uhu.
Also teachers posting “I’m all for this, for reasons x y z” while they know with full certainty that this will never ever happen: we can see right through your socalled good intentions. No need for fakery.
Dit zou een veel verrassendere headline zijn mocht het omgekeerde er staan 😂 4 op 5 leerkrachten willen meer werkuren …
How about manageable workloads and fewer students / teacher. That is also in the best interest of the students. Also, maybe monetize rewards for people who put in (vital) organising work outside of regular hours. Why is it always talk of working more hours for the same pay? 🙂
Would you accept other people coming to your jobs telling you to do that without having the slightest clue?
Keep treating teachers like you all know what’s best for them and people will continue to vote with their feet. It’s that simple and still people here don’t seem to get it.
It shouldn’t be shortened but distributed better. What they did in the French Community is fine. Also let’s get rid of fixing Easter holiday by the phases of the moon and fix that date so it’s the same every year.
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People don’t like to change. Even if it’s in their best interest. Pretty strange to see it again and again.
From an educational point of view, this seems like a no-brainer. But damn, the timing is bad given the current teacher shortage and unpopularity of teaching as a profession.
I’m a teacher that would like to see a shorter holiday. I kind of lose ‘touch’ after the summer, and so do the pupils. And the one week holidays are too short to get work done, so extending those would work great. I understand the objections of principals and the supporting team more than the teachers’: they’re often at work the first two and the last two weeks of the summer break, so there would be way less left for them.
>”Zij geven aan dat de lange zomervakantie nodig is om voldoende tot rust te kunnen komen. Ze hebben daar nood aan (…)”
What kind of monstrous job is teaching to need two months of continuous vacation to recover from it? I mean I don’t know what I am talking about, but still, find it very hard not to be skeptic.. Though I guess the low popularity of the job speaks for itself.
At this point do we even want to attract teachers? because we sure seem like making it our best effort to chase away all teachers to other sectors.
The propagatos’ arguments for the change are: it’s better for the children, especially those who already have problems keeping up.
The teachers’ arguments against the change are: we like it like that, we need to be at least 2 months away from the pupils, and if we can’t have that we’re quitting.
So research. Much science. Many substantiated. Such method. Very data. Wow.
I’ll take that shortened summer holiday if they pay me the salary of a person with a masters’ degree, which they require me to have.
Teachers complaining about work pressure… You can only laugh at it.
Gf is a teacher and is against it for the main reason that during the 1 week holidays (Krokus en herfst), most pupils already forget too much of what they saw before the holidays. By extending those with another week as a compensation for the reduced summer holidays, she argues she will lose even more time on rehearsing the material from before the holiday.
The endless discussion of which job is harder will never end.
It’s impossible to compare jobs (especially how hard one is)
As a prospective teacher, I’d like them to shorten the summer holiday, while making all one-week vacations two week vacations.
I did an interim teaching job already and a one week vacation basically melts away into nothing with all the work I had.
Voorstander van inkorten. Is beter voor de jongeren en daar dient het onderwijs toch voor?
Als ik dan in het artikel lees dat velen kozen voor het onderwijs vanwege de langere zomervakantie, dan kan ik niet anders denken dat zulke mensen gewoon niet geschikt zijn om met passie les te geven als dit hun reden was…
Leerkracht kan dan nog een intensieve job zijn, ze krijgen nog altijd dubbel zo veel vakantie als in de privé, de balans is in evenwicht dan.
Never waste a good crisis.
Scientifically proven to be better for the children, but of course we discuss this at the level of the teachers.
Just do it, take the gutpunch and you’ll see results in two to three years.
<Insert “Why won’t anyone think of the children” meme>
Verhoging werkdruk?😂😂
Ik ben als zij instromer in het onderwijs beland, na dat ik al jaren iets anders gedaan heb, en nu nog steeds zelfstandig ben in hoofdberoep.
Ik kan dus best wel de vergelijking maken tussen de twee.
Ik denk dat je lesgeven in school A niet kan vergelijken met lesgeven in school B. Of toch lesgeven in richting A en richting B. Met wat geluk zit je in een klas met allemaal flinke enthousiaste leerlingen, met wat pech zit je in een klas met redelijk wat sociale gevallen waarbij je zowel in de les als buiten de lesuren veel werk aan hebt.
Dat gezegd zijnde ben ik dikwijls na 7 uur lesgeven stukken meer kapot dan dat ik 12 uur m’n andere job gedaan heb. Ik ben uren bezig na en voor het school, 2 maanden vakantie vergeet dat maar, andere vakanties ben ik bezig aan les voorbereidingen of vakwerkgroepen, of bijscholingen.
Ik moet dikwijls ‘s avonds blijven voor ‘t een of ‘t ander, heb dikwijls ‘s avonds laat nog een zoomgesprek, en krijg alle dagen van de week berichtjes van m’n collega’s en leerlingen.
Zo appeltje eitje is het dus helemaal niet, maar laten we eerlijk zijn: in welke job is dat wel zo?
Om de zoveel jaar is er wel een nieuwe minister die z’n naam wil zetten op het beleid. Maar als we niet investeren in onderwijs kunnen we alle goed betaalde bureau jobs ook vaarwel zeggen. En investeren in onderwijs is ook investeren in personeel
**Never underestimate logistics.**
I know quit a lot of school folks. In reality the 2 months are for most teachers effectively 2 months, minus maybe 2 weeks preparation for the next year. In that respect having a two months break seems a bit “off the charts”. As also for the kids: 2 months seems too much. I agree on that.
But… do not forget the organizing staff in larger schools. In reality they have now something like 1 month, may 5 weeks off. Why so? They have to deal with the running off of the last year, this takes at least 2 weeks, and they have to prepare the startup of the new school year, this takes also 3, sometime 2 weeks.
E.g. when a school with 100 teachers, you’ll probably going have to replace 5 or 10 of them (retirement, changing schools, other reasons) mostly at the beginning of the school-year. When are you going to do that recruitment , first week of september when everything is up & running? No. This will we be done during the holidays.
In reality their holiday starts mid July and ends mid August. Shortening the summer holidays means for those guys literally having no holiday at all. It would probably ruin their organisation, unless… it can be solved (and it all comes down to the same), more FTE’s can be put in place to help run the school instead of teaching.
It works just north of us why wouldn’t it with our schools.
I teach primary school, most of my colleagues would welcome the change. I guess it’s mostly secondary school teachers who dislike it.
I do feel like I should either teach less hours or get paid more in primary. Especially since I got my bachelor’s at a later age. My current pay really doesn’t serve as an incentive to keep this truly draining job.
The biggest thing people overlook is that as a teacher, you rarely feel like you’re off duty. There’s always more stuff you could be doing at home, because we don’t get sufficient paid prep time.
[deleted]
My wife is a part-time teacher (12hours-20 is full-time) and she has more work than me (ft something else)
Emails never stop, late meetings (teams), constant schedule changes, correcting tasks, designing class material, designing tests and exams,…
Teaching is her passion but she’s really considering quiting it, despite the holidays off … Imagine!
Honestly believe this kind of ‘news’ is merely launched to divide et impera and create a fuss. 100% of people here know this is never going to happen. Unionized government officials that are going to give in on acquired rights? Uhu.
Also teachers posting “I’m all for this, for reasons x y z” while they know with full certainty that this will never ever happen: we can see right through your socalled good intentions. No need for fakery.
Dit zou een veel verrassendere headline zijn mocht het omgekeerde er staan 😂 4 op 5 leerkrachten willen meer werkuren …
How about manageable workloads and fewer students / teacher. That is also in the best interest of the students. Also, maybe monetize rewards for people who put in (vital) organising work outside of regular hours. Why is it always talk of working more hours for the same pay? 🙂
Would you accept other people coming to your jobs telling you to do that without having the slightest clue?
Keep treating teachers like you all know what’s best for them and people will continue to vote with their feet. It’s that simple and still people here don’t seem to get it.
It shouldn’t be shortened but distributed better. What they did in the French Community is fine. Also let’s get rid of fixing Easter holiday by the phases of the moon and fix that date so it’s the same every year.