Scary. Especially when they’re clearly not our allies anymore.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to allow military presence of a foreign power that wants to annex our allies and is threatening us with commercial war
Missing a few there, shannon in Ireland
I knew that france is clever.
37 bases, ~120-ish nukes, 100k soldiers, many other smaller installations.
Fun stuff.
Kick em out. Good riddance.
There is US has military bases in the Netherlands in Volkel (where they keep nukes) and in Eygelshoven. Probably even more as their presence in Volkel is still officially a secret.
The netherlands?
The french are at the bad end of a lot of jokes, but they are actually the most based (or should I say baseless) country in Europe. I fking love how they roll.
That is definitely out of date. Even counting only US bases, not bases the US has presence in, it’s definitely missing at least the Redzikowo base in Poland.
Americans saying that they have financed the “defence of Europe”. This is not all of Europe.
People are complaining about this, but these bases aren’t a garrison or anything and wouldn’t be able to be used to exert pressure on their hosts other than by threating to withdraw the forces there. For many of them the opposite is true; the threat of eviction of the forces at those bases would exert huge pressure on the US. They literally have their anti-ICBM defences – both radar and interceptors – based in Europe. They rely on them massively to project power across the middle east and North Africa. They rely on them for SIGINT to a huge degree. America without it’s European bases is much less capable of exerting it’s influence across a huge swathe of the world.
there’s like 60000 American troops in Europe. They’re not “paying for Europe’s defense” as the old MAGA saying goes. And they were very much happy to pay the rent for the facilities (that’s what they’re actually paying in Europe) without which their invasions into Afghanistan and Iraq and other operations in Africa and middle east would have been completely unaffordable for them.
We honestly should start taxing their usage of bases on European soil. Especially if this damn administration treats Europe like the enemy and cosies up to the real enemy (Russia).
The base in Iceland at Keflavik airport was closed down in 2006. It still has military facilities that they’ve recently started refurbishing but there’s no permanent presence.
I’m not European here….so can someone clear it for me?
why the anger from US military bases
They had them for ages
If there is a conflict… Should it be on the current administration in the United States and Europe Not usa and Europe?
And Europe invested the money in more…ig:
infrastructure and development instead of defense, and this has been the situation for a while.
Vive la France!
The map of Norway looks wrong. I’m not sure which base that is supposed to be
Well, the Americans desperately want to save money and cut their military spending. I see somewhere they could save.
A bit of a correction to this. The base in Norway is a NATO base, not US.
I thought they had left Iceland? Perhaps just the flight base?
Throw them out, they have changed sides. Now working for the one they surrendered to. putin is now their CIC.
As I often hate to admit, France is showing us the way.
Random fact. When the French kicked the US out of France and its NATO facilities, literally all their equipment was taken to the base just down the road from where I grew up in the UK called RAF Burtonwood. It was the largest base in Europe and outside of the US until it was eventually closed. But their storage facilities were HUGE and had many hangers with many levels down underground. Before the start of the gulf war we managed to see dozens of tanks being loaded up before being ushered away by MOD police.
The US doesn’t need all these bases to project power in the region. A couple large air and naval bases in the North Africa and Eastern Europe would allow the same power projection capability at a fraction of political and economic cost.
These bases were set up for defense of Europe. In case of a massive Soviet invasion, the US and European troops were expected to hold back the advance just long enough for the main US forces to arrive, and these bases were strategically set up to facilitate their quick deployment in key areas. When you have a prepared facility to unload troops and equipment, with most logistics already set up and functioning, you cut your deployment time by order of magnitude, and this is critical if you’re fighting against a massive and fast moving invasion force.
The big question is, does this scheme still benefit both sides.
The total cost of maintaining all bases is over $80 billion per year, the European bases are at least half of that.
So going from the “defense of Europe” to “power projection“ scenario would save the US at least $30 bln annually, and allow to concentrate more resources in Asia – which is quickly turning into the new top hot zone – without completely abandoning their power position in the European region.
Of course the Europeans would have to spend a lot more on defense. It’s absolutely ridiculous that the entire 450 mln people, 20 or so trillion euros GDP bloc is unable to provide Ukraine with ironclad security guarantees against 140 million people and at best 7 trillion euros (in PPP) Russia.
The US has nukes stationed in the Netherlands and has had them there for decades. The US even has total operational command over the nukes, which means that they could be launched without Dutch input. We know some are at Volkel airbase but there may be some in other locations because the detailed conditions of the treaty (including how many) are secret.
Similar treaties between the US and other countries like this exist.
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Scary. Especially when they’re clearly not our allies anymore.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to allow military presence of a foreign power that wants to annex our allies and is threatening us with commercial war
Missing a few there, shannon in Ireland
I knew that france is clever.
37 bases, ~120-ish nukes, 100k soldiers, many other smaller installations.
Fun stuff.
Kick em out. Good riddance.
There is US has military bases in the Netherlands in Volkel (where they keep nukes) and in Eygelshoven. Probably even more as their presence in Volkel is still officially a secret.
The netherlands?
The french are at the bad end of a lot of jokes, but they are actually the most based (or should I say baseless) country in Europe. I fking love how they roll.
That is definitely out of date. Even counting only US bases, not bases the US has presence in, it’s definitely missing at least the Redzikowo base in Poland.
Americans saying that they have financed the “defence of Europe”. This is not all of Europe.
People are complaining about this, but these bases aren’t a garrison or anything and wouldn’t be able to be used to exert pressure on their hosts other than by threating to withdraw the forces there. For many of them the opposite is true; the threat of eviction of the forces at those bases would exert huge pressure on the US. They literally have their anti-ICBM defences – both radar and interceptors – based in Europe. They rely on them massively to project power across the middle east and North Africa. They rely on them for SIGINT to a huge degree. America without it’s European bases is much less capable of exerting it’s influence across a huge swathe of the world.
there’s like 60000 American troops in Europe. They’re not “paying for Europe’s defense” as the old MAGA saying goes. And they were very much happy to pay the rent for the facilities (that’s what they’re actually paying in Europe) without which their invasions into Afghanistan and Iraq and other operations in Africa and middle east would have been completely unaffordable for them.
We honestly should start taxing their usage of bases on European soil. Especially if this damn administration treats Europe like the enemy and cosies up to the real enemy (Russia).
The base in Iceland at Keflavik airport was closed down in 2006. It still has military facilities that they’ve recently started refurbishing but there’s no permanent presence.
Kudos to the French!
Greetings from Germany
Wrong the US has a base in the Netherlands
https://installations.militaryonesource.mil/in-depth-overview/united-states-army-garrison-benelux-schinnen
Thats not an updated map. Theres US bases in Sweden now top
No wonder orange Führer is using them as bargaining chips to blackmail us.
Honestly at this point we should be evicting them. That goes for overseas stuff too like ascension island and BIOT.
You are gambling with WW3 OP
Also a convenient map of where you can get Taco Bell in Europe.
Sorry but the map is inaccurate or old (edit: even if it states 2024 on it):
There are US forces in
* Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_forces_in_Poland
* Romania (to be confirmed)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoAF_57th_Air_Base
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deveselu_Military_Base thanks to u/LaUr3nTiU
edit 4 : Mihail Kogălniceanu base, near Constanța
AEGIS system at Deveselu. Kinetic impactors only, so anti-missile system thanks to u/LLFTR
edit 5 : The Netherlands Bedankt u/PECourtejoie
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edit 3 : see that too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Enhanced_Forward_Presence
France makes me found of it everyday now.
I’m not European here….so can someone clear it for me?
why the anger from US military bases
They had them for ages
If there is a conflict… Should it be on the current administration in the United States and Europe Not usa and Europe?
And Europe invested the money in more…ig:
infrastructure and development instead of defense, and this has been the situation for a while.
Vive la France!
The map of Norway looks wrong. I’m not sure which base that is supposed to be
Well, the Americans desperately want to save money and cut their military spending. I see somewhere they could save.
A bit of a correction to this. The base in Norway is a NATO base, not US.
I thought they had left Iceland? Perhaps just the flight base?
Throw them out, they have changed sides. Now working for the one they surrendered to. putin is now their CIC.
As I often hate to admit, France is showing us the way.
Random fact. When the French kicked the US out of France and its NATO facilities, literally all their equipment was taken to the base just down the road from where I grew up in the UK called RAF Burtonwood. It was the largest base in Europe and outside of the US until it was eventually closed. But their storage facilities were HUGE and had many hangers with many levels down underground. Before the start of the gulf war we managed to see dozens of tanks being loaded up before being ushered away by MOD police.
The US doesn’t need all these bases to project power in the region. A couple large air and naval bases in the North Africa and Eastern Europe would allow the same power projection capability at a fraction of political and economic cost.
These bases were set up for defense of Europe. In case of a massive Soviet invasion, the US and European troops were expected to hold back the advance just long enough for the main US forces to arrive, and these bases were strategically set up to facilitate their quick deployment in key areas. When you have a prepared facility to unload troops and equipment, with most logistics already set up and functioning, you cut your deployment time by order of magnitude, and this is critical if you’re fighting against a massive and fast moving invasion force.
The big question is, does this scheme still benefit both sides.
The total cost of maintaining all bases is over $80 billion per year, the European bases are at least half of that.
So going from the “defense of Europe” to “power projection“ scenario would save the US at least $30 bln annually, and allow to concentrate more resources in Asia – which is quickly turning into the new top hot zone – without completely abandoning their power position in the European region.
Of course the Europeans would have to spend a lot more on defense. It’s absolutely ridiculous that the entire 450 mln people, 20 or so trillion euros GDP bloc is unable to provide Ukraine with ironclad security guarantees against 140 million people and at best 7 trillion euros (in PPP) Russia.
The US has nukes stationed in the Netherlands and has had them there for decades. The US even has total operational command over the nukes, which means that they could be launched without Dutch input. We know some are at Volkel airbase but there may be some in other locations because the detailed conditions of the treaty (including how many) are secret.
Similar treaties between the US and other countries like this exist.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2021-01-15/us-nuclear-weapons-netherlands-first-appraisal
https://nonukes.nl/us-could-unilaterally-decide-to-use-nukes-from-volkel-airbase/
There’s one in Romania as well, Mihail Kogălniceanu base near the Black Sea, and also a Aegis Ashore missle defence system in Deveselu, Romania.
I hope one in Kosov and Metohija goes away soon.
I’ll always laugh when Americans say to stay out of their politics & how it affects us when this is one of the main reasons…
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