Have you seen the Northern Irish people that fight the Irish language? Strange bunch.
Scots is a language but it’s based on Middle English / old high German and doesn’t tally with some peoples ideas of an ethno national Gaelic Scotland.
I would say it’s the amount of funds committed to furthering the language, all road signs in both languages especially I. Glasgow Edinburgh where it was really spoken , and if you move into Aberdeenshire Dorik (excuse the spelling) was more widely used and also the case kids at school would rather learn a European language that would be much more use to them
Chris is a fool best to ignore him
It’s based on a medieval Middle English dialect. Don’t get the antipathy, unless you hate all things English I guess. But even then, it’s not like anyone hears Scots and says ‘wow, I can’t believe they choose to speak English.’
It’s cultural hegemony of a colonial power. Empires work tirelessly to belittle and dehumanize the culture, art, language, dress etc of those they occupy. After generations of dehumanization and erasure, some of the colonized even adapt, internalize, embrace, and gladly enforce their own erasure, finding the same disgust and contempt for their own culture/language/dress etc that the colonizer does.
PTSD back to my uni linguistics days. Chris is a fool.
There’s a section of Scottish society who just genuinely despise anything that even suggests Scotland is a unique entity. Usually the same kind of person that has royal wedding dinner plates and gets irrationality angry at windmills.
Probably hates Scots unless it’s Burns night.
My weird take is that we need to find a consistent spelling system for Scots that doesn’t involve loads of apostrophes. Apostrophes mean missing letters, which adds to the general impression that Scots is just “wrong” English.
Some folk are simply ignorant and wish aspects of Scottish culture just didn’t exist as it challenges the weird sanitised British culture that they wish existed.
I was brought up in the Gaelic medium. I went to school in the 60s and 70s at that time schools were told to literally to beat the Gaelic and Scots out of you and that’s exactly what they did. I’m in my late 60s now and I still have the scars on my hands. I regret the attitude of the Education Department at Jeffrey Street they were deliberately blind to the history and culture of Scotland and wished to bring up children as mirror images of those who live in the South of England.
As a teacher myself its very important that it is part of the curriculum. Imagine trying to teach phonics or reading to children that pronounce and have always heard words and sounds being in Scots. Its part of the curriculum to ensure they learn English and not fall through the cracks due to a dialect/accent/language whatever
A good friend of mine is from Glasgow and I love his use of various Scottish words and slang, I’m not Scottish myself but fully support promoting regional languages and dialects. I don’t understand people that want everyone to use one homogenous language and culture, let’s celebrate our differences, together.
Scots is obviously a different language. Any linguist will tell you that. Czech and slovak are closer to each other than scots and english
What distinguishes accents from languages is blurry at best and both deserve to be preserved and used
“Like they’re from Glasgow or something”
Never met the Brits?
There’s a weird attitude that Scots is some form of deviation from English, when in reality, Scots of any variety is far closer to the Germanic source material.
Glaswegian here we don’t care what you think twat
Let the Scots Scot and the Welsh Welsh.
Its generally bitter and angry rangers fans / orange walkers that hate Scotland yet never leave! I laugh at them.
I think they just need to realise that it’s not stopping and it’s best to accept that these languages are making more of a stand.
They can whine and moan all they want with their wee unionist flags but it isn’t gonna change anything.
Both languages have had tons of history of subjugation and this is merely a remediation to solve such abuse.
Nowhere has more hatred for Scots and Gaelic than Scotland itself.
I was told my whole life that these languages were “useless” and “insular” – it was only when I moved abroad I discovered how interested the rest of the world is in Scotland. I met people from the Philippines, Hawaii, Taiwan, Mexico, Australia and Ukraine asking me about Scots language and to teach them words and history. They were surprised and confused when I seemed embarrassed about this and played it down.
Most of the world speaks more than one language, most places have bilingual signs. After I learned Gaelic, I could have such richer discussions about unusual syntax, lingusitic history, minority cultures etc. & being actually good at a language that fitted my natural accent gave me the confidence to pick up Chinese and Korean.
This is *normal* everywhere else. It’s normal to have a culture and a history and to *want* to know about it and talk about it. Relating your own culture and past to other cultures and other histories is a regular part of being a world citizen. It’s not normal to to view it with disgust or see it as ‘pointless’ and a ‘waste of money’. We’ve truly been taught to hate ourselves.
Scots is only really relevant to west coast lowland Scotland.
Growing up in Aberdeen Doric was completely overlooked in favour of Scots by the education establishment and the media, especially after Grampian TV merged with STV.
Saying “Scots” is the universal language of Scotland is the same kind of cultural whitewashing as Donald Trump declaring English the official language of the USA.
Scots and English both have the same roots but developed separately, and there were other related languages around GB at the time as well but they were eventually superceded by either of the main 2
Stupid twat of a cunt.
Maybe they should educate themselves on the use of the ellipsis instead of ranting a pile of shit.
They used it instead of a period as if indicating a trailing thought. When what they had done was concisely close an outright statement of opinion.
If they’re so into what they imagine as prescriptive education, they really ought to do better.
Huge egg on twat face.
Surely you do? It is a form of ‘ethnic cleansing’. By attacking language, culture, national identity Fascists seek to erode the popularity of idfentity and ultimately identity itself. In attacking Scots and Gaelic, it is normally ultra unionists who fear that identity will maintain a threat to their own unionist views. Look to Northern Ireland for a comparison.
Some people get really angry that differences exist!
I actually really like all the differences we have in our little bit of this island. It makes for a far more interesting and rich environment!
I’d hate it if these languages and the history they represent disappeared and everything descended into some sort of boring, bland and beige uni-culture.
Fuck that!
Lol, an accent? Soon enough, they’ll call Alba a northern suburb of London.
Troll gonna troll
What a twat
Accent ≠ dialect
I’m fairly ambivalent on the subject, but I guess a legitimate argument is whether or not the sums spent on them are justifiable given the number of actual speakers, and the state of public services in general where the money might be better spent. You might say that the small number of actual speakers is *the reason* to spend the money, but in that case you could question why more money *isn’t* (afaik) spent on promoting e.g. Doric.
(I don’t know the actual budgets involved tbh, it may be a small enough amount that it’s not something worth worrying about.)
I struggle a bit with this. I grew up speaking broad Aberdeenshire Doric as my family had a rural, farming background. Though there are similarities to be found in Doric speech with other areas like Angus and Borderer’s Scots, the west central Scotland form of Scots, ‘gallus’ etc that seems to be favoured by the government/ media is really quite different. I’d prefer local initiatives to keep the traditional dialects alive. I am generally supportive of Scots in schools though.
This is something I touched on a few weeks ago. The Irish speak Irish Gaelic and Wales speak Welsh; nobody has a problem with this. It’s only in Scotland that it causes such a stir, ironically, among Scottish people (!) who want nothing to do with it
Chris wore a kilt once and everyone laughed when it blew up showing his totty tadger
I’m glad it’s being included, sounds like it’s on the wy oot alridy fan the bairns are spikken like YouTubers and as ither folk have said you were made to feel ashamed for spikken it fan we grew up but it hizna held me back fae working all ower the world.
Isn’t Gaelic the oldest language spoken on these Isles? Wouldn’t it be like the Italians getting irate about Latin, or the Indians getting irate about Sanskrit?🤔
What about all those ancient Gaelic thinkers, poets and artists whose creations will be lost to time just due to ignorance.
Tbh I’d love Gaelic to be widely accessible in the whole of the UK🤞
Someone better check out the writings or Robbie Burns and our legal writing. The idea it’s just an accent is tripe.
Only difference now is we don’t actually speak proper Scot’s.
I am 100% sure Scots is a recognised language, one of the three officially spoken in Scotland. This shite really boils my piss
What ? Gaelic is completely different language not even in same group of languages as English is a Saxon( German ) language . The comparison with an accent would be at least remotely accurate if compared with Dutch and Norwegian but to say that Gaelic is in any consistent way related to English is utter rubbish never mind to state it is just an accent.
Christopher too posh for Scots but wants all the benefits Scotland gives out.
Notice how it’s always the junkies, the people at school in the bottom classes and “Scheme” people who speak in Scots whilst educated people who go to Uni and good employment don’t speak Scots?
Funny that.
So dumb, it’s hard to read. These people are so miserably stupid, they don’t even know.
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Have you seen the Northern Irish people that fight the Irish language? Strange bunch.
Scots is a language but it’s based on Middle English / old high German and doesn’t tally with some peoples ideas of an ethno national Gaelic Scotland.
I would say it’s the amount of funds committed to furthering the language, all road signs in both languages especially I. Glasgow Edinburgh where it was really spoken , and if you move into Aberdeenshire Dorik (excuse the spelling) was more widely used and also the case kids at school would rather learn a European language that would be much more use to them
Chris is a fool best to ignore him
It’s based on a medieval Middle English dialect. Don’t get the antipathy, unless you hate all things English I guess. But even then, it’s not like anyone hears Scots and says ‘wow, I can’t believe they choose to speak English.’
It’s cultural hegemony of a colonial power. Empires work tirelessly to belittle and dehumanize the culture, art, language, dress etc of those they occupy. After generations of dehumanization and erasure, some of the colonized even adapt, internalize, embrace, and gladly enforce their own erasure, finding the same disgust and contempt for their own culture/language/dress etc that the colonizer does.
PTSD back to my uni linguistics days. Chris is a fool.
There’s a section of Scottish society who just genuinely despise anything that even suggests Scotland is a unique entity. Usually the same kind of person that has royal wedding dinner plates and gets irrationality angry at windmills.
Probably hates Scots unless it’s Burns night.
My weird take is that we need to find a consistent spelling system for Scots that doesn’t involve loads of apostrophes. Apostrophes mean missing letters, which adds to the general impression that Scots is just “wrong” English.
Some folk are simply ignorant and wish aspects of Scottish culture just didn’t exist as it challenges the weird sanitised British culture that they wish existed.
I was brought up in the Gaelic medium. I went to school in the 60s and 70s at that time schools were told to literally to beat the Gaelic and Scots out of you and that’s exactly what they did. I’m in my late 60s now and I still have the scars on my hands. I regret the attitude of the Education Department at Jeffrey Street they were deliberately blind to the history and culture of Scotland and wished to bring up children as mirror images of those who live in the South of England.
As a teacher myself its very important that it is part of the curriculum. Imagine trying to teach phonics or reading to children that pronounce and have always heard words and sounds being in Scots. Its part of the curriculum to ensure they learn English and not fall through the cracks due to a dialect/accent/language whatever
A good friend of mine is from Glasgow and I love his use of various Scottish words and slang, I’m not Scottish myself but fully support promoting regional languages and dialects. I don’t understand people that want everyone to use one homogenous language and culture, let’s celebrate our differences, together.
Scots is obviously a different language. Any linguist will tell you that. Czech and slovak are closer to each other than scots and english
What distinguishes accents from languages is blurry at best and both deserve to be preserved and used
“Like they’re from Glasgow or something”
Never met the Brits?
There’s a weird attitude that Scots is some form of deviation from English, when in reality, Scots of any variety is far closer to the Germanic source material.
Glaswegian here we don’t care what you think twat
Let the Scots Scot and the Welsh Welsh.
Its generally bitter and angry rangers fans / orange walkers that hate Scotland yet never leave! I laugh at them.
I think they just need to realise that it’s not stopping and it’s best to accept that these languages are making more of a stand.
They can whine and moan all they want with their wee unionist flags but it isn’t gonna change anything.
Both languages have had tons of history of subjugation and this is merely a remediation to solve such abuse.
Nowhere has more hatred for Scots and Gaelic than Scotland itself.
I was told my whole life that these languages were “useless” and “insular” – it was only when I moved abroad I discovered how interested the rest of the world is in Scotland. I met people from the Philippines, Hawaii, Taiwan, Mexico, Australia and Ukraine asking me about Scots language and to teach them words and history. They were surprised and confused when I seemed embarrassed about this and played it down.
Most of the world speaks more than one language, most places have bilingual signs. After I learned Gaelic, I could have such richer discussions about unusual syntax, lingusitic history, minority cultures etc. & being actually good at a language that fitted my natural accent gave me the confidence to pick up Chinese and Korean.
This is *normal* everywhere else. It’s normal to have a culture and a history and to *want* to know about it and talk about it. Relating your own culture and past to other cultures and other histories is a regular part of being a world citizen. It’s not normal to to view it with disgust or see it as ‘pointless’ and a ‘waste of money’. We’ve truly been taught to hate ourselves.
Scots is only really relevant to west coast lowland Scotland.
Growing up in Aberdeen Doric was completely overlooked in favour of Scots by the education establishment and the media, especially after Grampian TV merged with STV.
Saying “Scots” is the universal language of Scotland is the same kind of cultural whitewashing as Donald Trump declaring English the official language of the USA.
Scots and English both have the same roots but developed separately, and there were other related languages around GB at the time as well but they were eventually superceded by either of the main 2
Stupid twat of a cunt.
Maybe they should educate themselves on the use of the ellipsis instead of ranting a pile of shit.
They used it instead of a period as if indicating a trailing thought. When what they had done was concisely close an outright statement of opinion.
If they’re so into what they imagine as prescriptive education, they really ought to do better.
Huge egg on twat face.
Surely you do? It is a form of ‘ethnic cleansing’. By attacking language, culture, national identity Fascists seek to erode the popularity of idfentity and ultimately identity itself. In attacking Scots and Gaelic, it is normally ultra unionists who fear that identity will maintain a threat to their own unionist views. Look to Northern Ireland for a comparison.
Some people get really angry that differences exist!
I actually really like all the differences we have in our little bit of this island. It makes for a far more interesting and rich environment!
I’d hate it if these languages and the history they represent disappeared and everything descended into some sort of boring, bland and beige uni-culture.
Fuck that!
Lol, an accent? Soon enough, they’ll call Alba a northern suburb of London.
Troll gonna troll
What a twat
Accent ≠ dialect
I’m fairly ambivalent on the subject, but I guess a legitimate argument is whether or not the sums spent on them are justifiable given the number of actual speakers, and the state of public services in general where the money might be better spent. You might say that the small number of actual speakers is *the reason* to spend the money, but in that case you could question why more money *isn’t* (afaik) spent on promoting e.g. Doric.
(I don’t know the actual budgets involved tbh, it may be a small enough amount that it’s not something worth worrying about.)
I struggle a bit with this. I grew up speaking broad Aberdeenshire Doric as my family had a rural, farming background. Though there are similarities to be found in Doric speech with other areas like Angus and Borderer’s Scots, the west central Scotland form of Scots, ‘gallus’ etc that seems to be favoured by the government/ media is really quite different. I’d prefer local initiatives to keep the traditional dialects alive. I am generally supportive of Scots in schools though.
This is something I touched on a few weeks ago. The Irish speak Irish Gaelic and Wales speak Welsh; nobody has a problem with this. It’s only in Scotland that it causes such a stir, ironically, among Scottish people (!) who want nothing to do with it
Chris wore a kilt once and everyone laughed when it blew up showing his totty tadger
I’m glad it’s being included, sounds like it’s on the wy oot alridy fan the bairns are spikken like YouTubers and as ither folk have said you were made to feel ashamed for spikken it fan we grew up but it hizna held me back fae working all ower the world.
Isn’t Gaelic the oldest language spoken on these Isles? Wouldn’t it be like the Italians getting irate about Latin, or the Indians getting irate about Sanskrit?🤔
What about all those ancient Gaelic thinkers, poets and artists whose creations will be lost to time just due to ignorance.
Tbh I’d love Gaelic to be widely accessible in the whole of the UK🤞
Someone better check out the writings or Robbie Burns and our legal writing. The idea it’s just an accent is tripe.
Only difference now is we don’t actually speak proper Scot’s.
I am 100% sure Scots is a recognised language, one of the three officially spoken in Scotland. This shite really boils my piss
What ? Gaelic is completely different language not even in same group of languages as English is a Saxon( German ) language . The comparison with an accent would be at least remotely accurate if compared with Dutch and Norwegian but to say that Gaelic is in any consistent way related to English is utter rubbish never mind to state it is just an accent.
Christopher too posh for Scots but wants all the benefits Scotland gives out.
Notice how it’s always the junkies, the people at school in the bottom classes and “Scheme” people who speak in Scots whilst educated people who go to Uni and good employment don’t speak Scots?
Funny that.
So dumb, it’s hard to read. These people are so miserably stupid, they don’t even know.
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