Truly interested to see how many will end up in Foxrock, Donnybrook or Dalkey.
But what about the Droid attack on the Wookies?
How can we take in 200k women and children? We literally have homeless Irish children yet we can take in an additional 200k?
I hear talks of government building mobile homes on government land. Why wasn’t this done for our own homeless or for the thousands of Irish people struggling to pay rent?
The cynic in me want to say that one way of dealing with the labour shortage in retail, restaurant businesses and other low paid jobs …..🤯
Does it mean we have refugee-only housing for 200k people that has always been there?
Is the housing crisis real then? Cause housing crisis and taking in 200k people contradict each other.
I’m glad we’re helping so many but I’m also anxious as to what this will do to the housing/renting crisis?
This is gonna financially fuck us all. God damn that shit stain Putin
This is around 4% of our population. I think even the Poles as our biggest minority are only 2%. I wonder what effects this will have down the line, I doubt we will get a Little Odessa like the US had but theyl be another part of the mix. It’s a huge number for us but we will do everything we can.
The government have lost their minds.
Absolute madness and insanity, completely infeasible. Anyone here thinking our inept government and decrepit country is capable of taking in such a gigantic number of people is deluded. Take a break from the Ukrainian news stories.
Nevermind our own housing crisis what about everything else a family will need? We have a shortage of General Practitioners, we have a shortage of schools in many areas, our Hospitals are overwhelmed. Public transport not adequate for the demand we have at the moment. No mind another thousand whether that be twenty or two hundred. I don’t mind if we do our part but surely we can only take what we can afford to help. A flat 2% of refugees that Europe take is not reasonable in my opinion.
They can’t just build tens of thousands of houses for refugees now when they have spent the last 10 years refusing to do that. That would destroy them in the polls and the next election. They will build temporary housing which is substandard and cheap and they will create vast shantytowns consisting of tents and shipping containers. This will be a hugely expensive and embarrassing disaster. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians who have to rely on our hugely incompetent government.
They had no plans on how to accommodate Ukrainian refugees before they started talking shite on RTE. They sent a memo around in the week before Patrick’s Day that IPAS would house the refugees. This is the organisation that mismanages Direct Provision. They didn’t even have a phone number and still don’t.
Absurd and of course the next crisis we’ll have to do the same
I’m all for taken in refugees but we need to sort out the homeless crisis first. House them, then we can have a vague idea of how many refugees we can take.
I have a somewhat tinfoil hat theory on this.
There is a clear movement going on right now where minimum wage workers are fed up with working long shifts while being poorly treated just so they can barely afford to pay rent/ bills.
More and more people have had enough and have either sourced better jobs or simply refuse to work their lives away. They call it a “labour shortage” to mask the reality that it is actually a “livable wage shortage”.
So many supermarkets, pubs and restaurants are urgently looking for staff. It’s clear that things are beginning to boil and change is just around the corner.
My tinfoil hat theory is that the government want to flood these shitty, minimum wage jobs with desperate Ukrainians to keep the wealthy 1% safe. It will take the pressure off them and they will no longer have to address the problem and make change.
That’s about 4% of our population. Are other European countries acting like this, Are there politicians in Germany saying they could take in 3.2 million refugees? Seems like we’re really over our skis on this.
How on earth could there be room for that many refugees when our housing crisis is already at a peak level of crisis
The great replacement crowd are gonna having a field day, telling us we told ya so
I don’t think we have the capability to do that
9,000 homeless people and nothing is done for years but we can take in 200,000 homeless from abroad overnight, what an absolute fucking joke.
Nonsense, Hugh trouble ahead in the near future. They are pulling numbers out of the air. Housing and services are swamped at the moment, can they show is a plan on how it will work. People are leaving the country because the price of accommodation and the cost of living.
Like yeah cool, we can – we’ll make the space.
But where can we house them long term on a practical level??
Need to revitalise derelict buildings and build a lot of large scale housing.
Its bizarre are FF/FG trying to buy themselves jobs at the EU before they get booted out of government.
Its like a competition to look the most woke.
how is this even possible? isn’t their a huge housing crisis in Ireland?
This is a figure based on the EU Temporary Protection Directive and the Directives’ reallocation mechanism which calculates expected refugee resettlement based on population and GDP. Ireland’s population represents 1.1% of the EU population and 2.8% of EU GDP, this means that Ireland would be expected to resettle 1.95% of Ukrainian refugees in the EU. If there are 10 million Ukrainian refugees, then Ireland would, at least according to the mechanism, be expected to resettle 200,000 Ukrainian refugees. Personally, I agree that it is a ridiculous figure, however that is what it is based on.
This is a bonkers number to be taking in even if they were fending for themselves (which they are not) to be talking about giving this number of, albeit deserving, people free housing, food and social welfare payments is lunacy. You almost get the idea that government ministers want to be seen to say the “right thing” without any thought of how it will logistically or financially work.
The currently asylum process is completely broken around Europe and Ireland is already seeing a massive surge in normal asylum seeker numbers. Numbers not seen for twenty years and to be spouting on about taking a further 4% of our population on top of spiralling international protection numbers is crazy. Other EU countries don’t seem to be as pious as we want to be or should I say want to be seen to be.
Thats about 200,000 more than the UK is taking in.
Potential unpopular opinion here – like I’m all for it. They need help, obviously – no way would I begrudge these people basic hospitality and care at a time their lives have been destroyed. But, the government really need to look at the current conditions here. People are struggling with the current inflation and housing crisis still. The govt need to review what they do to help people before there’s massive economic backlash. People can’t spend money in businesses to keep them going if they don’t have it to spend. Maybe this isn’t the forum for it? Possibly I’m out of line and not seeing the bigger issue at hand here
Guys they are going to be living in community halls,prefabs etc they aren’t going to be getting their own houses. As to why we couldn’t do this for our own? Because the political will isn’t there and it’s as simple as that.
Utter madness – the HSE is on its knees as it is – honestly, it’s just madness – in case anyone has forgotten, this country is riddled with debt, riddled with it ! We have 10,000 already, we won’t b able to deal with that, not to mind 190,000 more ! The avviva holds 80,000 people, it’s a Massive amount of humans, so how can we deal with that many not to mind 200,000!!!!!!
So if they were all in one place they’d comfortably be our third-largest city, very nearly be the second according to our last census. How the hell are we going to house these people?
God bless them.
Will they learn both English and Irish at school?
God help them.
Massive respect to the Ukrainians. Awful situation.
if you think housing is fucked now just wait until this happens
Where was this magical accommodation during the housing crisis
If our government can accomodate 200k refugees that’s great. This planet is theirs as much as it is ours, plenty of room for everyone, no issues there.
But what it will highlight, is the fact that the government all these years has had the means to eradicate the housing crisis on the island, but have chosen not to.
They don’t care about the refugees, they don’t care about their own people. But it looks good for them on the world stage so that’s why it’s happening. They only care about themselves, nothing has changed that.
To put it into a bit of perspective, was looking at some refugee stats, since 1984 Ireland in total has received approx 150k refugees. Thats from every country, every conflict, every disaster in nearly 4 decades, and they now will accept 200k refugees from Ukraine?
Again, no problem with taking refugees. But it seems like our government with their track record are only going along with it because all eyes are on Ukraine all over the world and they can say ‘look how good we are.’
Then again, for balance, I’m coming from an angle where the Irish government is made up of spineless wet wipes who historically display their self-service with pride and show how out of touch they are with the people, and any decision they make is centred on retaining their seat, but hey, maybe this time it’s different right?
Will these refugees mostly be kept in spare rooms the red cross has organized? I have a look at Rent.ie occasionally and the supply is so limited as it is, it’s insane. There’s been zero available listings at times in Waterford City in the past few weeks.
Hopefully adequate services will be created for all the refugees, because housing is already fucked.
It’s depressing to see how utterly unimaginative most people on here are, and it’s perhaps not accidental that Ireland refuses to solve solvable problems decade after decade.
What do people think will happen if we take these people? Mass hysteria? Dogs and cats living together?
We just orchestrated the rolling out of millions of vaccines. We had the entire country just agree one day to stop living normally. We can do big state projects if we have the motivation to do so. We have reserves of civil servants, the army, police, recent retirees (like my mother who came out of retirement to help administer vaccines), we’ll have no end of volunteers. We are not a poor country. We’re food secure. There would be few places in the EU better capable of handling this problem.
But we certainly can’t handle it if people just reflexively oppose doing anything proactive about any problem our country faces.
This is just the start. It’s Russia in Ukraine today. It’ll be the Middle East again tomorrow. To say nothing of the incoming mass migration events due to climate change. We have an obligation, as part of the EU to deal with this. However, even if we didn’t, it’s in our self-interest to build up the capacity to deal with crisis events, because our planet isn’t going to return to “normal”. It’s crises here on out until we start dealing with the fundamental issues that are causing them.
I really think we should help every Ukrainian we can. Those people have been through a lot.
However that seems like a lot. I don’t see how we could house them.
My guess is he’s floating those number on the expectations it will come in far lower to help manage the publics expectations. (Like they did with bar times over covid – they would leak “closing at 6pm” and then announce like 10pm or something a few l
Days later so people wouldn’t react as badly.
have to love /r/ireland
talking about drug abuse and homelessness “shure them junkies do it to themselves they all want to be homeless they abuse the system they rob taxes from the working class”
talking about taking in refugees “but what about all of our homeless and drug addicted 😔😔😔 where will they go?? 😔😔 omg the gubbernment are giving our homes to foreigners 😠😠”
I can be a bit of an optimist, but what if we rose to the moment and built a ton of additional housing with the excuse that it’s an extradionary situation and the free market can go to hell for a little bit? Then as the situation normalises and people return home we add the houses to the national supply. House refugees and address the housing crisis in one fell swoop.
Laugh away, but if Ukranian farmers can steal half a Russian tank column, surely we could have the state build some houses.
They will make our country stronger and fill the jobs that are there; great that ireland is doing her bit to support people and hopefully we don’t stop at 200K
Great! Immigrants are a net benefit to an economy!
Irish people, I want to say big thank you. We really appreciate your help and how you treat the refugees. You history which is similar to ours makes you understand us more than anyone else.
It seems some Irish people have short memories, 1 million Irish people emigrated during the famine. Couple of hundred thousand during the recession?For such a small country we’ve definitely sent out enough of our own people to warrant taking in our fair share when the circumstances are reversed.
Blame the government for not providing what’s needed for our own. The capabilities have always been there to address our issues but not used. When we see the 200,000 refugees being accommodated for it’ll just show how incompetent our government has really been.
In a few months we will all be surprised at what we have acheived to help these refugees.
A lot of them wont be here forever but we need to help in the meantime.
If / when they go the homes they leave behind and the new houses that will have been built will be welcome.
Ffs why the living fuck do we put up with direct provision. How racist can FF/FG get!!
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This is pretty fucking insane.
Truly interested to see how many will end up in Foxrock, Donnybrook or Dalkey.
But what about the Droid attack on the Wookies?
How can we take in 200k women and children? We literally have homeless Irish children yet we can take in an additional 200k?
I hear talks of government building mobile homes on government land. Why wasn’t this done for our own homeless or for the thousands of Irish people struggling to pay rent?
The cynic in me want to say that one way of dealing with the labour shortage in retail, restaurant businesses and other low paid jobs …..🤯
Does it mean we have refugee-only housing for 200k people that has always been there?
Is the housing crisis real then? Cause housing crisis and taking in 200k people contradict each other.
I’m glad we’re helping so many but I’m also anxious as to what this will do to the housing/renting crisis?
This is gonna financially fuck us all. God damn that shit stain Putin
This is around 4% of our population. I think even the Poles as our biggest minority are only 2%. I wonder what effects this will have down the line, I doubt we will get a Little Odessa like the US had but theyl be another part of the mix. It’s a huge number for us but we will do everything we can.
The government have lost their minds.
Absolute madness and insanity, completely infeasible. Anyone here thinking our inept government and decrepit country is capable of taking in such a gigantic number of people is deluded. Take a break from the Ukrainian news stories.
Nevermind our own housing crisis what about everything else a family will need? We have a shortage of General Practitioners, we have a shortage of schools in many areas, our Hospitals are overwhelmed. Public transport not adequate for the demand we have at the moment. No mind another thousand whether that be twenty or two hundred. I don’t mind if we do our part but surely we can only take what we can afford to help. A flat 2% of refugees that Europe take is not reasonable in my opinion.
They can’t just build tens of thousands of houses for refugees now when they have spent the last 10 years refusing to do that. That would destroy them in the polls and the next election. They will build temporary housing which is substandard and cheap and they will create vast shantytowns consisting of tents and shipping containers. This will be a hugely expensive and embarrassing disaster. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians who have to rely on our hugely incompetent government.
They had no plans on how to accommodate Ukrainian refugees before they started talking shite on RTE. They sent a memo around in the week before Patrick’s Day that IPAS would house the refugees. This is the organisation that mismanages Direct Provision. They didn’t even have a phone number and still don’t.
Absurd and of course the next crisis we’ll have to do the same
I’m all for taken in refugees but we need to sort out the homeless crisis first. House them, then we can have a vague idea of how many refugees we can take.
I have a somewhat tinfoil hat theory on this.
There is a clear movement going on right now where minimum wage workers are fed up with working long shifts while being poorly treated just so they can barely afford to pay rent/ bills.
More and more people have had enough and have either sourced better jobs or simply refuse to work their lives away. They call it a “labour shortage” to mask the reality that it is actually a “livable wage shortage”.
So many supermarkets, pubs and restaurants are urgently looking for staff. It’s clear that things are beginning to boil and change is just around the corner.
My tinfoil hat theory is that the government want to flood these shitty, minimum wage jobs with desperate Ukrainians to keep the wealthy 1% safe. It will take the pressure off them and they will no longer have to address the problem and make change.
That’s about 4% of our population. Are other European countries acting like this, Are there politicians in Germany saying they could take in 3.2 million refugees? Seems like we’re really over our skis on this.
How on earth could there be room for that many refugees when our housing crisis is already at a peak level of crisis
The great replacement crowd are gonna having a field day, telling us we told ya so
I don’t think we have the capability to do that
9,000 homeless people and nothing is done for years but we can take in 200,000 homeless from abroad overnight, what an absolute fucking joke.
Nonsense, Hugh trouble ahead in the near future. They are pulling numbers out of the air. Housing and services are swamped at the moment, can they show is a plan on how it will work. People are leaving the country because the price of accommodation and the cost of living.
Like yeah cool, we can – we’ll make the space.
But where can we house them long term on a practical level??
Need to revitalise derelict buildings and build a lot of large scale housing.
Its bizarre are FF/FG trying to buy themselves jobs at the EU before they get booted out of government.
Its like a competition to look the most woke.
how is this even possible? isn’t their a huge housing crisis in Ireland?
This is a figure based on the EU Temporary Protection Directive and the Directives’ reallocation mechanism which calculates expected refugee resettlement based on population and GDP. Ireland’s population represents 1.1% of the EU population and 2.8% of EU GDP, this means that Ireland would be expected to resettle 1.95% of Ukrainian refugees in the EU. If there are 10 million Ukrainian refugees, then Ireland would, at least according to the mechanism, be expected to resettle 200,000 Ukrainian refugees. Personally, I agree that it is a ridiculous figure, however that is what it is based on.
This is a bonkers number to be taking in even if they were fending for themselves (which they are not) to be talking about giving this number of, albeit deserving, people free housing, food and social welfare payments is lunacy. You almost get the idea that government ministers want to be seen to say the “right thing” without any thought of how it will logistically or financially work.
The currently asylum process is completely broken around Europe and Ireland is already seeing a massive surge in normal asylum seeker numbers. Numbers not seen for twenty years and to be spouting on about taking a further 4% of our population on top of spiralling international protection numbers is crazy. Other EU countries don’t seem to be as pious as we want to be or should I say want to be seen to be.
Thats about 200,000 more than the UK is taking in.
Potential unpopular opinion here – like I’m all for it. They need help, obviously – no way would I begrudge these people basic hospitality and care at a time their lives have been destroyed. But, the government really need to look at the current conditions here. People are struggling with the current inflation and housing crisis still. The govt need to review what they do to help people before there’s massive economic backlash. People can’t spend money in businesses to keep them going if they don’t have it to spend. Maybe this isn’t the forum for it? Possibly I’m out of line and not seeing the bigger issue at hand here
Guys they are going to be living in community halls,prefabs etc they aren’t going to be getting their own houses. As to why we couldn’t do this for our own? Because the political will isn’t there and it’s as simple as that.
Utter madness – the HSE is on its knees as it is – honestly, it’s just madness – in case anyone has forgotten, this country is riddled with debt, riddled with it ! We have 10,000 already, we won’t b able to deal with that, not to mind 190,000 more ! The avviva holds 80,000 people, it’s a Massive amount of humans, so how can we deal with that many not to mind 200,000!!!!!!
So if they were all in one place they’d comfortably be our third-largest city, very nearly be the second according to our last census. How the hell are we going to house these people?
God bless them.
Will they learn both English and Irish at school?
God help them.
Massive respect to the Ukrainians. Awful situation.
if you think housing is fucked now just wait until this happens
Where was this magical accommodation during the housing crisis
If our government can accomodate 200k refugees that’s great. This planet is theirs as much as it is ours, plenty of room for everyone, no issues there.
But what it will highlight, is the fact that the government all these years has had the means to eradicate the housing crisis on the island, but have chosen not to.
They don’t care about the refugees, they don’t care about their own people. But it looks good for them on the world stage so that’s why it’s happening. They only care about themselves, nothing has changed that.
To put it into a bit of perspective, was looking at some refugee stats, since 1984 Ireland in total has received approx 150k refugees. Thats from every country, every conflict, every disaster in nearly 4 decades, and they now will accept 200k refugees from Ukraine?
Again, no problem with taking refugees. But it seems like our government with their track record are only going along with it because all eyes are on Ukraine all over the world and they can say ‘look how good we are.’
Then again, for balance, I’m coming from an angle where the Irish government is made up of spineless wet wipes who historically display their self-service with pride and show how out of touch they are with the people, and any decision they make is centred on retaining their seat, but hey, maybe this time it’s different right?
Will these refugees mostly be kept in spare rooms the red cross has organized? I have a look at Rent.ie occasionally and the supply is so limited as it is, it’s insane. There’s been zero available listings at times in Waterford City in the past few weeks.
Hopefully adequate services will be created for all the refugees, because housing is already fucked.
It’s depressing to see how utterly unimaginative most people on here are, and it’s perhaps not accidental that Ireland refuses to solve solvable problems decade after decade.
What do people think will happen if we take these people? Mass hysteria? Dogs and cats living together?
We just orchestrated the rolling out of millions of vaccines. We had the entire country just agree one day to stop living normally. We can do big state projects if we have the motivation to do so. We have reserves of civil servants, the army, police, recent retirees (like my mother who came out of retirement to help administer vaccines), we’ll have no end of volunteers. We are not a poor country. We’re food secure. There would be few places in the EU better capable of handling this problem.
But we certainly can’t handle it if people just reflexively oppose doing anything proactive about any problem our country faces.
This is just the start. It’s Russia in Ukraine today. It’ll be the Middle East again tomorrow. To say nothing of the incoming mass migration events due to climate change. We have an obligation, as part of the EU to deal with this. However, even if we didn’t, it’s in our self-interest to build up the capacity to deal with crisis events, because our planet isn’t going to return to “normal”. It’s crises here on out until we start dealing with the fundamental issues that are causing them.
I really think we should help every Ukrainian we can. Those people have been through a lot.
However that seems like a lot. I don’t see how we could house them.
My guess is he’s floating those number on the expectations it will come in far lower to help manage the publics expectations. (Like they did with bar times over covid – they would leak “closing at 6pm” and then announce like 10pm or something a few l
Days later so people wouldn’t react as badly.
have to love /r/ireland
talking about drug abuse and homelessness “shure them junkies do it to themselves they all want to be homeless they abuse the system they rob taxes from the working class”
talking about taking in refugees “but what about all of our homeless and drug addicted 😔😔😔 where will they go?? 😔😔 omg the gubbernment are giving our homes to foreigners 😠😠”
I can be a bit of an optimist, but what if we rose to the moment and built a ton of additional housing with the excuse that it’s an extradionary situation and the free market can go to hell for a little bit? Then as the situation normalises and people return home we add the houses to the national supply. House refugees and address the housing crisis in one fell swoop.
Laugh away, but if Ukranian farmers can steal half a Russian tank column, surely we could have the state build some houses.
They will make our country stronger and fill the jobs that are there; great that ireland is doing her bit to support people and hopefully we don’t stop at 200K
Great! Immigrants are a net benefit to an economy!
Irish people, I want to say big thank you. We really appreciate your help and how you treat the refugees. You history which is similar to ours makes you understand us more than anyone else.
It seems some Irish people have short memories, 1 million Irish people emigrated during the famine. Couple of hundred thousand during the recession?For such a small country we’ve definitely sent out enough of our own people to warrant taking in our fair share when the circumstances are reversed.
Blame the government for not providing what’s needed for our own. The capabilities have always been there to address our issues but not used. When we see the 200,000 refugees being accommodated for it’ll just show how incompetent our government has really been.
In a few months we will all be surprised at what we have acheived to help these refugees.
A lot of them wont be here forever but we need to help in the meantime.
If / when they go the homes they leave behind and the new houses that will have been built will be welcome.
Ffs why the living fuck do we put up with direct provision. How racist can FF/FG get!!
If that is the case then it would be a fair share