Pip disability changes ‘will leave benefit claimants more than £4,000 a year worse off’
Pip disability changes ‘will leave benefit claimants more than £4,000 a year worse off’
by corbynista2029
Pip disability changes ‘will leave benefit claimants more than £4,000 a year worse off’
Pip disability changes ‘will leave benefit claimants more than £4,000 a year worse off’
by corbynista2029
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Just more hate towards disabled people. PIP is a lifeline for some disabled people. Now that’s gone.
As I saw in a comment yesterday, the people hit hardest by this change are those whose disabilities make a lot of their daily tasks difficult, but none of any single task especially difficult. For example, right now if someone scores 2 on all 12 criteria, they’d get 24 points and they’d qualify for the highest PIP allowance, but under the new system they won’t get a penny. The type of disabilities that will be most affected are mental health conditions like PTSD or autism, early onset dementia, or learning disabilities. Cutting £4,000 a year from them is just as vile as what George Osborne did in his 6 years in office.
You just know it’ll be the ones who actually need the money who will have it cut.
Those who know how to play the system will always find a way.
I’m genuinely surprised they’re not working on improving access to tailored employment for disabled people. Workplace changes, work from home schemes and the like would have been more humane.
2028/2029 is when this’ll kick in. If it even does. It’s just right wing bait to appease people who have no understanding of the benefits and the recipients who struggle baldly as it is. It’s shameful. Although probably more so won’t fruition into reality for most.
One thing this has made clear if you can mislead people into thinking getting benefits is easy and that they get “given” cars. Not possible. To get a mobility car you have to be assessed and ‘lease’ the car by given most if not all of your money.
Oh good. This story hasn’t been posted on this sub for the last 45 mins.
Ok, next story please. This has been posted 500 times already.
How about cutting some of that asylum seekers refugees selltlements thats costing 5 billion a year.
Its ok insofar as the people who don’t receive it are capable of working. There was a crane driver on the radio earning six figures who still got pip, he doesnt need it but got it anyway. his was mh issues. thats not ok, someone with a neurological issue that means he literally cannot work should obviously get it.
The department of work and pensions says 24% of the UK has a disability. 16 million people.
Syndrome from the incredibles comes to mind
“When everyone is disabled, no one will be”
I’m particularly worried for people who may look alright on the outside on some days but who suffer from depression so bad they literally cannot function without ongoing medication and support – like, the people who have been and would end up being sectioned again or taking their own life if they are left alone too long.
I have serious doubts about our government’s ability to distinguish these people from shysters – especially if they rely on AI and outsourcing which seems to be the direction of travel.
A basic form with scoring on it is not a great way of determining someone’s mental condition. I would much prefer a GP’s verdict be involved – and I honestly hope that is part of the mechanism, not some disgusting G4S outsourced programme targeted with being as stingy as possible.
There are some people who honestly should just be allowed to just get on with their limited lives in peace without the threat of their income being taken away at a moment’s notice.
I’m on PIP and LCWRA for serious physical disability. I have 2 across many categories, no 4s, despite trying very hard to get them several times. PIP currently allows me some level of independence in letting me run a very small business (yes, you can do this on LCWRA – provided you are open and honest with the DWP).
Many disabled and chronically ill people like me who are able to do a small amount of work cannot take paid employment due to being unreliable, we do not know when we will be too ill to work, and that may last for weeks/months at a time. I’m basically nonfunctional all winter due to the cold and dark affecting my healh so much and my flat being too cold. We also may only be able to do a couple of hours a week on a good week. PIP means that we are able to do that. These are the people being targeted by this change, and we will become economically inactive without it, if not totally destitute.
Don’t kid yourself that this change targets only people who you feel could do more. It’s not targeted at all. Many many people will lose their independence.
I dont need skills support. I don’t need training. I had a successful career as a senior marketing manager for a national company before I was sick. I have plenty of skills. I do not have the health to use them. I often cannot stand, wash or feed myself. I often cannot see. I am in catastrophic pain. I am often vomiting in pain. I can’t change that, no matter whether you feel it is morally correct.
My greatest concern is that once they assess a claimant, they could say not enough points scored and cancel the PIP, then decide there has been an overpayment demanding a repayment backdated for some time.
This happened to me over a decade ago. I was on what was then called permitted hours, a government scheme gave an incentive to get back into the workplace as a therapy, but short hours and complying with all the rules meant no loss of benefit.
I had been reported as working by a neighbour, called to interview under caution, and deemed fit to work (the investigators had not been told I was on PH) The DWP decision maker also ignored the PH and deemed I was fit for work, cancelled the PIP, judged I had been overpaid and must repay £1200 and issued a caution.
Eventually all was overturned after appeal, I was re-assessed and PIP reinstated. I would not wish that experience on anybody.
*Social Security and Disability Minister Sir Stephen Timms said: ‘Some less severely impaired people will lose support. But the result will be that more severely impaired people have that support fully in place for the long term.*
That’s right, fuck those disabled people. It beggars belief. Sheer cruelty against the most vulnerable people in our society.
Its hard to try and get an employer to just look at a fully fit person. How on earth are you going to convince them to take someone on that is going to be unreliable due to health issues. With good days and bad days. { Massively affecting there reliance.}.
Ive seen so many Labour gobshites (James OBrien for example**) talking that these changes are needed because theres too much money being spent and people are scamming the system…
Which is the EXACT reasoning that caused them to recoil in horror when Cameron did it in 2010…
Hypocrites, the lot of you. Spare me…
*^(***Sidenote, I dont know if JOB has said it specifically himself, hes just an example of a Labour gobshite)*
I have sympathy for genuinely ill people but with millions saying they are too sick to work something has to be done.
How much would the country save if we stopped giving MP’s hand outs and they instead had to live off their substantial salary?
This **on top of** the £4k the banking crash+austerity combo cost your average lower-rate British worker.
I’m currently on pip and will likely lose it (mental health problems), I’ve always used my pip money for things to make myself better, gym, counselling and so on and I’m sure many do. Losing it is gonna make things a lot worse for a lot of people.
It’s just not that difficult, have people assessed for work from home schemes, anyone who’s got mobility issues for example should just work from home, have more flexible hours, have more annual leave(for hospital appointments etc) give companies that do this a tax right off, lower their national insurance payments to make companies want to actually do it, hire more disabled people so we don’t have to cut funding for the ones who are literally unable to get out of bed.
The only solace I get from this is knowing I didn’t vote for this ):
When will the government grow a pair and take back from the rich, what they have been raiding from the government and the working class..
We’re failing as a society, the conversation is always around the welfare that the poorest use, social safety nets that can be the difference between life and death, meanwhile there is never a conversation around welfare for the rich, be it tax breaks for mega corps, tax loopholes, or simply lowering their rate of effective tax over time, welfare for the rich is what’s bleeding us all dry, not the poor.
Just so you know which type of person will lose their PIP! I will give you my story,
I am going to lose my PIP because an assessor decided I score 2 points on all questions,
I get low rate care and low rate mobility. I don’t have a mental health illness, my problems are all physical.
If I listed all my conditions you wouldn’t believe it! I’m 54years old.
I am 98% housebound with disabilities that have just got me rehoused in a wheelchair adapted bungalow. My disability is progressive,
I am on 100mg of OxyContin (Longtec) to help with pain, along with other meds.
I can only shower every 7-10 days. It takes me 2 full days to change a bed.
I have to shop online, it costs far more than if I could go out and purchase things.
I wear incontinence pants
I can’t chop or peel vegetables
I can’t safely use an oven
I can’t walk up or down stairs safely, I have fallen too many times and injured myself seriously.
I can’t walk more than a few hundred yards, and I am in excruciating pain doing it. If I go out anywhere I have to get taxis and then I can’t do anything for up to 7 days because it takes ages for my body to recover.
I could go on and on but I need that money for the extra expenses it costs me.
I cannot work, believe me! I have tried and failed, I am far to sick and disabled to work, but yes I would love to get dressed up every morning and put my makeup on and do my hair and then have folk to talk to, omg to have friends again, even if only work friends, that would be a treat.
I am somebody who cant score 4 points on any questions, I should do! but the assessor says no! So what happens to me?
A society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable.
This country is fucked when it comes to benefits, I’ve got a sister in law who has cerebral palsy and her mother has had her carers allowance stopped for no good reason. On the other hand I have a brother that lives at home and gets pip for sitting on his ass smoking weed, I think he gets around £400 a fortnight. I also know people getting carers allowance for having kids with ADHD, forgive my ignorance but I don’t understand why you need money for kids with ADHD. Fucking boils my piss.
Make it means tested, so people who need it can be protected and the people playing the system can FRO.
How could this not work? We all know how employers are queuing up to take on the long term sick.
Are they cutting the Crown Estate benefit scroungers?
Once again, the people claiming to make the “difficult decisions” aren’t going to be feeling the pain of those decisions.
Anyone defending these cuts needs to take a long look in the mirror. They at least need to be honest with themselves. They aren’t looking out for the most vulnerable in society.
Just in time for the new “right to die” laws come in.
The holier than thou left of Great Britain.
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