France and Italy Stall EU Push to Deliver Ammunition to Kyiv

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1. And this is the obvious problem. I think Russia counts on bickering like this. That’s why it won’t ever do a really bold move, instead picking us off little by little, one by one.

2. Exactly what Russia is counting on and why getting the US out of the picture was so crucial.  You can always count on petty disputes and dragging of feet from Europe.  

3. So Ukraine is now in a very unique / weird spot. Ukraine is now produce drones, ammunitions and long range weapons ( Neptune rockets), I can image that they do much more than that. The issue Ukraine is facing is population. They got equipment. In a interesting way, if the war continues I could see Russians have more problems with the war. If Neptun can hit rafinerus or military factory than Russia might get into trouble.

4. France and Italy do not want to provide a huge amount of support all at once, but would rather provide it in regular smaller sums, which is understandable and responsible given the tight national budgets.

   It is polemical to interpret this as the EU’s inability to act. It is downright populist.

5. **Coalition of the Unwilling**

6. Is this the French leadership that was promised? They sure are vocal about making sure Europe buys European (i.e; French) weapons but when it comes to actually giving aide to Ukraine they are nowhere to be found. Its been that way for 3 years now

7. Common defense initiatives need common debt financing

8. The EU juggernaut has 27 drivers and every one of them has a brake pedal.

   This has always been it’s biggest problem

9. To no one surprise.

   At this point France probably blocked more aid than they have sent.

10. Yeah but the leaders have all had their photo op, so that’s all that matters to them.

    So fucking weak.

11. What the fuck, I thought it was us

12. Why there’s Finland’s Prime minister in the photo?

13. This sub might be the funniest one in all of Reddit.

14. Get your shit together, before Trump sell Ukraine out completely.

15. Getting America outta the picture was Russia’s biggest victory. Putin wasn’t afraid of Europe, he was afraid of us.

16. So much for all the unity

    So much for the continent joining together tight to replace USA

    So much for taking over supplying Ukraine for what Trump stops providing 

    Same as it ever was.  Go pose for more bullshit group photos on stairs with pretty flag decorations 

17. Ukraine deserves better.

18. Macron spoke like a bloodthirsty hawk. And when it came to action, it was limited to group photos and smiles. And these people still reproach Orban. He, at least, immediately outlined his position, and did not fill the listeners with sweet garbage. Budget deficit, debt spending… It’s all bullshit. If there is no money, then there was no point in wagging your tongue. You should have said it right away. We are poor and greedy and will not give anything.

19. So “United we Stand” only applies to group photo ops I guess.

20. Is the threat of Russia taking over the European continent real or manufactured? If it was real then why is this being held up over minor issues in comparison? Is a country taking on a little more debt than they want worse than being invaded and taken over by Russia? Politicians talk as if the threat of Russian takeover is real but then act as if it is manufactured.

21. Is there anything that stops individual countries from delivering ammunition to Ukraine? 

    If you can’t do it together, do it alone. 

22. Just more of the same stonewalling that helped put Ukraine in this mess and is now insuring that they will fall to the Russians due to no one having a spine.

23. Typical EU not being able to get its shit together

24. I guess the France glazing is almost over then

25. I wonder if the ´boo France´ crowd even read the article.

    Some countries want to barge in, others want to have a look at the financial impact and yet others aren´t interested in the least in inter-EU solidarity. Yes, I´m looking at northern countries like The Netherlands. Not very different from the last big financial crisis.

    Laying the blame just on France and Italy is disingenious.

26. “America help us!”

27. France doing french things. No wonder Zelensky has to apologize to Trump, he knows we europeans cant get shit done. What a disgrace.

28. What are these countries doing for god sake…. 🤦‍♂️

29. Just a reminder that we can all contribute directly to Ukraine’s defence here: u24.gov.ua

    Don’t just leave it up to the politicians: please make your own contribution.

30. Looks like a United Europe is just for dog and pony shows and photoshoots I guess.

    Then Ukraine will seriously be in trouble.

31. Isn’t this in order to avoid spending being tied to national budgets? It’s normal for southern economies to be cautious about big EU spending drives after the post 2008 period… this defense spending needs EU wide spending

32. The south has never been much willing to pay, so it comes really to no surprise.

33. Why!?

34. Hah, they are probably interested in how much would leonardo and thales get from the pie vs rheinmetall and saab.

35. Bureaucracy is already grinding any chance of progress to a halt.

36. So, as usual Europe blaming USA for not doing it part but European doing nothing for their own security. War in Ukraine doesn’t affect USA as it’s affecting Europe. And Europe as usual doing nothing. Hypocritical at best and treasonous at least.

37. The EU Keeps Polish Lithuanian Commonwealthing itself. The russian strategy is exactly the same too

38. As a Brit, (apart from the russkies), I am totally lost as to who is the bad guys in all this. Is it UK, EU, USA?

39. LOL

40. And that’s why we really finally need a proper unified EU government. No more of this 27-veto nonsense. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

41. There’s strong Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth vibes in EU’s current political system. Hope it doesn’t end the same way.

42. All this talk of being with Ukraine, when it´s time to help them, there is always something.
    I would understand if we were talking about sending actual people, but ammo?

43. Sure was easier when the US just did everything. I wonder whats gonna suffer from their budgets now that defense has to be built up significantly?

44. Wtf!

45. What happened? 🤡 Thought they were 100% support this.

46. They’ll show trump who’s who any year now!

47. Lmaooo where is the French and Italian hate at like it was a couple weeks ago against the U.S. ? No more based France ?

48. This, this is why Europe needs to abandon it’s long-standing concepts of individual nations trying to work toward one goal, and instead go for a federated Pax Europa.

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