This may not get people doing 20mph, but living on a main road I definately see less people doing 45mph+
Except council vehicles, that is.
Source!?
Has it or was the downward trend already taking place? Nothing like a bit of WG spin to claim something that was already happening.
10mph limits would cut deaths even further. Why aren’t we doing this? The Welsh Government is literally killing people until they enact this change.
NGL, I haven’t stuck to the 20 at all and I never will. I do it around schools, and around tight, busy parts of the road (where to be honest everyone used to drive below the 30 limit before it changed).
I honestly couldn’t give a shit either.
I stick religiously to the 20mph limit where it’s applied, and agree with its introduction.
But your argument could also be used to justify if cars were just banned altogether.
If people actually listened to the arguments against the change, it was about the blanket implementation which was lazy and poorly done.
No one is arguing against 20mph full stop.
Because people don’t like being proven wrong.
The only thing that puzzles me (as a regular visitor) is the choices as to where 20mph limits start and stop.
Example: on the A5 around Llangollen the 20mph limit starts when you’ve already started driving past lots of houses- I thought it should start as soon as there are residences….. but literally there’s neighbours who are stepping out onto the A5 with folk doing 30 and next door for some random reason is worthy of more safety at 20mph.
A bit odd.
No issue with 20mph, but those folk who’ve dropped it to 15 need to give their heads a wobble.
Not wanting people to die is so woke. Clearly people that die didn’t go to the University of Common Sense. Anyway, it’s the immigrunts that cause all the accidents, racing their boats over the channel onto our roads.
I occasionally check in on the 20mph Facebook groups. They’re not even talking about speed limits anymore, it’s just an echo chamber of anti Labour bullshit.
On the couple of long 20mph roads I drive through on the way to work each day I’ve noticed two things.
For 90% of drivers the new 20mph limit now means a steady 30mph (Rather than the 40mph+ drivers used to do). And when the 10% do actually follow the 20 limit, it leads to some of the most horrific and dangerous overtake manoeuvres I’ve seen in years, quite near a school too. (It’s through Pontyates, if anyone knows it)
Genuinely surprised nobody on the right has campaigned on using 20mph speed limits as Europe has 30kmph speed limits and therefore that makes us 2mph faster and superior.
If memory serves, wasn’t it tories that had never set foot in wales stoking the debate..
Great news. Life over death always
People hate being told what to do, even if it’s a sensible idea that doesn’t cause them any problems
As a taxi driver it has been an incredible quality of life improvement. Absolutely zero impact on my earni gs because it is so much easier/safer to get out at junctions. Every shift is SIGNIFICANTLY less stressful.
I was 100% in the Jermeny Clarkson Utter Woke Nonsense camp to start aswell.
Here as I have family in Wales and am still a regular visitor, but I actually live in Scotland now. We’ve had advisory 20mph (“20s plenty”) zones for decades that have just recently become enforceable. There’s always dickheads on the roads, but there’s been no outcry about the 20 speed limit here. It just is safer, that is not disputable. So there’s no more talk about it after that really. Who would argue that they want to kill people. Or so i thought until i see some of the comments here. It really shocks me to see that not stop the argument in Wales.
This comes across as judgemental, I’m sorry I know that’s not helpful. I don’t intend to be judgemental, I just find it really hard to understand and that’s what I’m trying to express. I would like to understand if someone would like to share. I see “but it’s my right” a lot… I guess that confuses me because we don’t have the right to kill other people, and that is more consistent with the American culture than I thought anywhere in Britain.
The amount of outrage about the 20 mph limit was embarrassing – grown adults losing their minds and screaming “police state”.
What is basically a slight inconvenience for a safer environment shows how insular and entitled folks have become.
Because people care more about their own comfort and convenience than they do about the safety of others.
It’s really just that simple.
Because, gammon.
I have absolutely no problem with this, except in pembrokeshire they’re all over the place and some places don’t make sense at all.
Because “muh freedomz”
People will find every reason to justify speeding. This limit isn’t a back breaker but they will still cry about it. Usually depressed men.
Fewer accidents, fewer injuries, fewer deaths, a drop in insurance premiums and no noticeable effect on journey times. The only ones who seem to object are gammony-type Tories many of whom live in Yorkshire – and even they supported it till they saw a chance to make political trouble.
Why does nobody understand anything? The stats on road accidents have basically been declining since records began, even with no 20mph limit, the likelyhood of real accidents with people getting hurt would be down, every single month more older cars get taken off the road, more new cars get onto the road, with safety systems a person in 2005 couldnt comprehend. Its also fairly clear if you drive anywhere a good majority dont actually drive 20mph, which would make the impact of 20mph much less and just going on a baseline of driving becoming safer basically yoy anyway. They did the same logic with M4 pollution and everybody with 0 brain just shouted “yes its working pollution is down” without looking at the fact hybrids and electric vehicles have been increasing massively since they started which would clearly reduce the on road pollution. Take these stats with some actual skeptisism or at least look at broader factors.
Because British people care more about getting together online and complaining about meaningless things that barely affect them than they do about taking an ounce of action towards the things that actually do matter.
Probably because it’s seen as tedious and inappropriate in a lot of places.
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This may not get people doing 20mph, but living on a main road I definately see less people doing 45mph+
Except council vehicles, that is.
Source!?
Has it or was the downward trend already taking place? Nothing like a bit of WG spin to claim something that was already happening.
10mph limits would cut deaths even further. Why aren’t we doing this? The Welsh Government is literally killing people until they enact this change.
NGL, I haven’t stuck to the 20 at all and I never will. I do it around schools, and around tight, busy parts of the road (where to be honest everyone used to drive below the 30 limit before it changed).
I honestly couldn’t give a shit either.
I stick religiously to the 20mph limit where it’s applied, and agree with its introduction.
But your argument could also be used to justify if cars were just banned altogether.
If people actually listened to the arguments against the change, it was about the blanket implementation which was lazy and poorly done.
No one is arguing against 20mph full stop.
Because people don’t like being proven wrong.
The only thing that puzzles me (as a regular visitor) is the choices as to where 20mph limits start and stop.
Example: on the A5 around Llangollen the 20mph limit starts when you’ve already started driving past lots of houses- I thought it should start as soon as there are residences….. but literally there’s neighbours who are stepping out onto the A5 with folk doing 30 and next door for some random reason is worthy of more safety at 20mph.
A bit odd.
No issue with 20mph, but those folk who’ve dropped it to 15 need to give their heads a wobble.
Not wanting people to die is so woke. Clearly people that die didn’t go to the University of Common Sense. Anyway, it’s the immigrunts that cause all the accidents, racing their boats over the channel onto our roads.
I occasionally check in on the 20mph Facebook groups. They’re not even talking about speed limits anymore, it’s just an echo chamber of anti Labour bullshit.
On the couple of long 20mph roads I drive through on the way to work each day I’ve noticed two things.
For 90% of drivers the new 20mph limit now means a steady 30mph (Rather than the 40mph+ drivers used to do). And when the 10% do actually follow the 20 limit, it leads to some of the most horrific and dangerous overtake manoeuvres I’ve seen in years, quite near a school too. (It’s through Pontyates, if anyone knows it)
Genuinely surprised nobody on the right has campaigned on using 20mph speed limits as Europe has 30kmph speed limits and therefore that makes us 2mph faster and superior.
If memory serves, wasn’t it tories that had never set foot in wales stoking the debate..
Great news. Life over death always
People hate being told what to do, even if it’s a sensible idea that doesn’t cause them any problems
As a taxi driver it has been an incredible quality of life improvement. Absolutely zero impact on my earni gs because it is so much easier/safer to get out at junctions. Every shift is SIGNIFICANTLY less stressful.
I was 100% in the Jermeny Clarkson Utter Woke Nonsense camp to start aswell.
Here as I have family in Wales and am still a regular visitor, but I actually live in Scotland now. We’ve had advisory 20mph (“20s plenty”) zones for decades that have just recently become enforceable. There’s always dickheads on the roads, but there’s been no outcry about the 20 speed limit here. It just is safer, that is not disputable. So there’s no more talk about it after that really. Who would argue that they want to kill people. Or so i thought until i see some of the comments here. It really shocks me to see that not stop the argument in Wales.
This comes across as judgemental, I’m sorry I know that’s not helpful. I don’t intend to be judgemental, I just find it really hard to understand and that’s what I’m trying to express. I would like to understand if someone would like to share. I see “but it’s my right” a lot… I guess that confuses me because we don’t have the right to kill other people, and that is more consistent with the American culture than I thought anywhere in Britain.
The amount of outrage about the 20 mph limit was embarrassing – grown adults losing their minds and screaming “police state”.
What is basically a slight inconvenience for a safer environment shows how insular and entitled folks have become.
Because people care more about their own comfort and convenience than they do about the safety of others.
It’s really just that simple.
Because, gammon.
I have absolutely no problem with this, except in pembrokeshire they’re all over the place and some places don’t make sense at all.
Because “muh freedomz”
People will find every reason to justify speeding. This limit isn’t a back breaker but they will still cry about it. Usually depressed men.
Fewer accidents, fewer injuries, fewer deaths, a drop in insurance premiums and no noticeable effect on journey times. The only ones who seem to object are gammony-type Tories many of whom live in Yorkshire – and even they supported it till they saw a chance to make political trouble.
Why does nobody understand anything? The stats on road accidents have basically been declining since records began, even with no 20mph limit, the likelyhood of real accidents with people getting hurt would be down, every single month more older cars get taken off the road, more new cars get onto the road, with safety systems a person in 2005 couldnt comprehend. Its also fairly clear if you drive anywhere a good majority dont actually drive 20mph, which would make the impact of 20mph much less and just going on a baseline of driving becoming safer basically yoy anyway. They did the same logic with M4 pollution and everybody with 0 brain just shouted “yes its working pollution is down” without looking at the fact hybrids and electric vehicles have been increasing massively since they started which would clearly reduce the on road pollution. Take these stats with some actual skeptisism or at least look at broader factors.
Because British people care more about getting together online and complaining about meaningless things that barely affect them than they do about taking an ounce of action towards the things that actually do matter.
Probably because it’s seen as tedious and inappropriate in a lot of places.
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