Now Europe Knows What Trump’s Team Calls It Behind Its Back: ‘Pathetic’

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/25/world/europe/signal-jeffrey-goldberg-message-hegseth.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6k4.ad2P.aDX6YuaWFnt1

by Majano57

45 comments
  1. Coming from that team, it’s really a badge of honour. Europe should be flattered.

  2. Well Putin has been waving his dick at Europe for the last 3 years, even Kim got involved.

  3. r/conservative are eating their own arseholes and turning on each other over this, it’s hilarious.

  4. We kinda already knew that but at this point I don’t really care about their opinion anymore.

  5. We kind of knew what they thought about us already. Now the mango mussolini is picking a fight with Iran they can do it on their own.

  6. Our military is weak and we did not invest enough even though we had russia attacking ukraine for quite some time now. So yeah its not wrong. Though it was till obama that the us activley wanted the eu not to rearm so they had more influence. Also there was no reason before. But yeah now we have to. Since russia on one side. US on the other and idiots everywhere

  7. I mean Trump&Vance have been pretty much calling us that to our faces, so my outrage is mild, to say the least.

  8. The Trump administration has achieved a level of European unification that we couldn’t accomplish for years. You have to give them that.

  9. I am pretty sure the Trump Admin openly said that, many times, even before the leaks.

  10. So they said in private what they have been saying in public all along? Trump’s administration calling Europe weak is not new. Trump’s administration whining about how they want Europe to pay more isn’t new. Trump’s administration thinking of themselves a the protector of Europe isn’t new. They’ve been saying it loud and clear for awhile now.

  11. It is confirmed. What they say behind europe’s back is the same they said to its face 😂

  12. > Now Europe Knows What Trump’s Team Calls It Behind Its Back: ‘Pathetic’

    We already knew, though.

    Trump and Vance are totally aligned with the so-called “jokes” US citizens make at “Europoors”.

    We also knew that they totally incompetent, like this type of people.

  13. If i remember correctly from the article, it was ‘PATHETIC’. He didn’t want to leave any doubt.

  14. To be fair the US also calls Europe freeloaders to their face as well. It’s not like the leak was some revelation about sentiment towards Europe.

  15. To be fair, I think Vance would be perfectly happy to say that to our faces too.

  16. Time to just cut ties with the scummy yank Trump lovers. New trade deals with Canada and others. Let them rot with Putin.

  17. This coming from an illiterate and abusive culture

  18. Yet which country is the only one to invoke NATO’s Article 5?

  19. it’s not the first time it happened remember the:”fuck the eu” of the Nuland democrats btw , they are all the same , drop the militaty orders wee don’t need their crap

  20. I’m not sure this was any great surprise. It’s just more of the same from team toddler.

  21. The EU is one of the most, if not the most successful economic and political supranational organization in human history, calling it pathetic can only be done by a fool.

  22. They always said that more or less openly. Zero surprise there. I think the exact wording was that Europe’s freeloading was pathetic, but the substance is the same and Europeans know full well how pathetic they are. But we got cosy and we don’t care much what others think of us anyway

  23. Maybe Europe should prove Trump’s team wrong by setting up a defense agreement with UK, approving ammunition to Ukraine, and using frozen Russian assets to help Ukraine.

  24. The article is about Western European countries relying on America to defend the shipping route going through the Red Sea.

    Despite the route being the predominant route that the EU uses to trade with Asia, there are American and British warships that are deployed and provide protection for the ships going through this shipping lane.

    Maybe it shocks some of the Redditors here, but one of the main criticisms of EU’s tough guy rhetoric was that they did little to counter the threat in the Red Sea, despite it affecting their primary interests. With all the talk of rearming Europe, and decoupling from America, yet again they rely on America when it matters.

  25. Surely even the most naïve aren’t suprised too much. I’d say, much stronger expressions are used too. We’ve only seen a tip of the iceberg.

    But this is a failure on the US’s part – losing your allies, your influence and credibility in a matter if days will take years to build.

    I wouldn’t be suprised that eventually Trump and his lackies will end up hanged for treason. I cannot describe it any other way.

  26. How can Trump or Vance call anybody pathetic. Trump pisses on paid for pornstars and has a mail order bride.

    Vance.. well, he’s Vance.

    And I bet they think Russia/Putin is strong daddy.

  27. Well from a military perspective (and having any sort of geopolitical spine) you guys are incredibly pathetic lol

  28. Usually the ones throwing the insults are the insecure pathetic children

  29. I mean we are. Just the fact alone that we still treat that nation of traitors and cowards as an ally, allow their bases on our soil and buy weapons from them proofs that.

    They are allied to Russia now and we do nothing about it. They are playing with Ukraine and Ukrainian lives and we do nothing about it. They will take over Greenland and we will do nothing about it. They want to take over one of our and their greatest allies, Canada and we will do nothing about it. And the list will go on and we will do nothing about it.

  30. As an American and European, I am having to apologize to myself a lot lately.

  31. It’s not like the US BFFs in Saudi Arabia caused the mess in Yemen, and Trump messed up the relationship with Iran by quitting the nuclear treaty. Freedom of navigation wouldn’t even be an issue in that region if it weren’t for Trump’s incompetence. European freeloading my ass.

  32. Pathetic as in free education, safe streets at night, almost no crime, cheap food, good salaries, no school shootings?

  33. Yes, well it’s hardly surprising since we, in the UK as an example have spent years fawning over our “special relationship” like a starstruck little fangirl, rather than admitting we let this get out of hand a long time ago.

    It’s like being happy the bully isn’t beating on you because you give him your lunch money.

    It has been pathetic and the sooner we take ownership of that, have a bit of a rethink about alliances as well as self reliance for defence and decisively move forward, the better.

  34. However much I despise Vance he does have a point in Europe not doing enough anti piracy. Europe receives 40% of these shipments that travel through the Suez canal, we don’t do anywhere near 40% of the protection. The UK is the only European country to keep a permanent ship in the Middle East to safeguard merchant ships, other countries like France and Italy will have a ship out there sometimes. As a continent we need to do better and shouldn’t be relying on someone else to do it for us. Yes this does benefit the U because if we became poorer their trading would also shrink with us but it definitely impacts Europe more than the US

  35. Yes, I think this gets too little attention. The hostility is undeniable now. It can no longer be written off as “bold politics”.

  36. I am very glad this happened because its about time Europe takes action and tell the Americans to fuckoff. Europe is twice the size in population as Americans so should be a no brainer to tell them to piss off!

  37. As a Canadian I will say it again, America only cares about money. Do not buy ANY American products, it’s the only message they will understand.

  38. And we’ve been calling them incompetent to their faces. At least they had the gratitude to prove us right!

  39. What Trump’s team thought about Europe was shared publicly by Vance at the Munich Security conference.

    It’s just that Europe’s leaders are so clueless and coward that they are unable to get a common response. They’d rather have more humiliation for 4 more years and hope the next president goes back to business as usual.

    This is just more fake indignation to distract from the fact that they don’t have a plan or even the willingness to devise a plan differet from the last 70 years.

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