I feel if companies like these could use actual slaves they would.
Are they even qualified for the job? I imagine crew members of these kind of ships need a lot of training to operate it safely. Like evacuation procedures etc
I used to know someone who worked on cruise ships and they could basically pay them anything they wanted to as their contracts were from a completely different company, usually with no minimum wage level. They were only in the late teens/early 20s when they worked on them and to be fair they did save a shit load of money up as they had no where to spend it really. They were also told as they weren’t paying income tax/NI the wage they got equalled minimum UK levels as it didn’t include the deductions.
A reminder that Tories actively love this.
They want us all to become sub-minimum wage slaves, paying them a huge cut of our income to live in their shitty slumlord dwellings, and they want this to be the Brexitland New Normal.
But at least Corbyn didn’t get in right. Can’t trust that lefty hat he wore and the fact he wanted to make people on high six figure incomes pay 5% more tax. God forbid.
Eastern europe? After brexit? For this price? No way! I thought it was some crew from the Philipinas or even farther
They will all have Seaman’s Discharge Books and all pay British National Insurance therefore entitled to free medical care and Universal Credit when they return to Ukraine, Romania, Belarus, wherever. Boris and the Tory party will trouser a few quid from UAR Daily Mail will roar and shout crap but in the end 800 + British people are out of work so the share holders can get paid. Leaving the EU is turning UK into a Banana Republic with Corrupt Government quicker than you can say it’s Jeremy Corbyns fault.
They will be exploitating the desperate Ukrainian refugees
3 senior members of the present cabinet and one ex member wrote a book called ‘Briitannia Unchained’ a decade ago which was about how British workers are lazy, paid too much and have too many rights and if the UK is too be prosperous we need to compete with emerging economies like China and India.
That would be the India which uses 2 bonded labourers (slaves) to work a shovel because the cost of the shovel is much more expensive than the cost of the labour.
And here we are, the same people who called for it are now crying crocodile tears
What is allowed … allowing this slave labor shite and use of anyone UK citizen or from elsewhere is simply giving permission for slavery or near slavery … why should any port of call allow for the treatment of any worker?
If such shite comes to port, I figure they are the Slavers that Russia admires and wishes to return to.
The British outlawed slavery hundreds of years ago … is it that they did not mean everyone or just what they knew back in the 1700s?
Gotta be careful … creeping slavery coming up behind you as one more excuse for the shite treatment of people is allowed.
Fuck P&O, I will NEVER, even if they backtrack, sail on their vessels ever again.
I suggest you don’t either.
Where is Rees-Mogg? I would like to know if I can count this one as a Brexit benefit or not.
So how do they get by the minimum wage law in the UK? 2.60 isn’t even a wage. It’s an allowance…
How is it possible that 800 staff were made redundant on the spot and not be eligible for a consultation period while still on full pay?
Even if you are fired for gross misconduct you have to go through a lengthy process that can take months.
Leaving the EU would not have changed our employment laws, so how is this legal?
Tbh I’ve only patronised P&O on three occasions so hardly a regular but on principle I’ll never use this company again.
Have they replaced all 800 staff or are they using a lot less numbers to cover the same work?
This is one of those things that looked good on paper until the crew start crashing ships and suddenly it costs more than paying the original staff.
Maybe it’s just one big insurance scam to downsize the fleet.
This is because capitalism doesn’t work. Even when it’s regualted, which it *must* be, they get around it. It’s really just greed and selfishness. Call it that instead.
And people wonder why ship crews resort to theft and smuggling…
Ah well, there goes the ferry option when travelling to Europe.
Just what the Tories wanted. And before any disagrees, the Tories would say if they are willing to work for peanut, then why can’t you. So don’t expect the minimum wage to rise, you are being payed too much as it is.
Sack all top levels.
Privatise the business..
Increase fairs to cover losses.
Because they can get away with it. I bet none of this has even slightly affected sales.
> Speaking on the condition of anonymity, [One 59-year-old man who worked with the company for 23 years] told MailOnline that cheaper agency workers, understood to be from Eastern Europe, were being brought in on wages of £2 to £3 per hour to replace British sailors whose hourly rates can eclipse £28.
Is that their only source? Because it doesn’t sound like a particularly reliable one.
More abuse from the many authoritarian friends of your pals and mine, the Tories.
The Tories are so very quiet on this as they watch on in envy as a another nation uses victorian employment practices.
From another Redditor:
>So P&O European Ferries was a thing since P&O group bought out the European Ferries group (Townsend Thoresen) in the late 1980’s. Naturally, a certain incident somewhat accelerated the rebranding exercise, but those operations are the roots of the P&O Ferries services as of last week.
>Also in the 1980’s, the UK Govt. sold off the UK nationalised ferry operations of Sealink to Sea Containers Ltd. These operations originated from the steam packet operations of the railways, and were nationalised as part of BR.
>The Sealink business was later sold on to Stena Line, who rebranded the operation a couple of times before getting back to the Stena Line name.
>In the late 1990’s, with the Sealink agreement with SNCF falling apart and competition from Eurotunnel, Stena and P&O sought to consolidate their Short Sea (Dover/Newhaven) operations, merging to form P&O Stena Line. A few years later, P&O bought out the Stena stake in this to revert to P&O Ferries.
>The remaining Stena Line routes today are the continuation of the former BR operations away from the English Channel.
>P&O Cruises have pretty much always been managed separately from the ferry operations, instead developing from P&O’s passenger liner business through the course of the late 20th century. Even when they were both part of P&O Group it’s a fairly loose association. The cruise business was spun off in 2000 as P&O Princess Cruises before merging/being taken over by Carnival to become Carnival Corp & plc.
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I feel if companies like these could use actual slaves they would.
Are they even qualified for the job? I imagine crew members of these kind of ships need a lot of training to operate it safely. Like evacuation procedures etc
I used to know someone who worked on cruise ships and they could basically pay them anything they wanted to as their contracts were from a completely different company, usually with no minimum wage level. They were only in the late teens/early 20s when they worked on them and to be fair they did save a shit load of money up as they had no where to spend it really. They were also told as they weren’t paying income tax/NI the wage they got equalled minimum UK levels as it didn’t include the deductions.
A reminder that Tories actively love this.
They want us all to become sub-minimum wage slaves, paying them a huge cut of our income to live in their shitty slumlord dwellings, and they want this to be the Brexitland New Normal.
But at least Corbyn didn’t get in right. Can’t trust that lefty hat he wore and the fact he wanted to make people on high six figure incomes pay 5% more tax. God forbid.
Eastern europe? After brexit? For this price? No way! I thought it was some crew from the Philipinas or even farther
They will all have Seaman’s Discharge Books and all pay British National Insurance therefore entitled to free medical care and Universal Credit when they return to Ukraine, Romania, Belarus, wherever. Boris and the Tory party will trouser a few quid from UAR Daily Mail will roar and shout crap but in the end 800 + British people are out of work so the share holders can get paid. Leaving the EU is turning UK into a Banana Republic with Corrupt Government quicker than you can say it’s Jeremy Corbyns fault.
They will be exploitating the desperate Ukrainian refugees
3 senior members of the present cabinet and one ex member wrote a book called ‘Briitannia Unchained’ a decade ago which was about how British workers are lazy, paid too much and have too many rights and if the UK is too be prosperous we need to compete with emerging economies like China and India.
That would be the India which uses 2 bonded labourers (slaves) to work a shovel because the cost of the shovel is much more expensive than the cost of the labour.
And here we are, the same people who called for it are now crying crocodile tears
What is allowed … allowing this slave labor shite and use of anyone UK citizen or from elsewhere is simply giving permission for slavery or near slavery … why should any port of call allow for the treatment of any worker?
If such shite comes to port, I figure they are the Slavers that Russia admires and wishes to return to.
The British outlawed slavery hundreds of years ago … is it that they did not mean everyone or just what they knew back in the 1700s?
Gotta be careful … creeping slavery coming up behind you as one more excuse for the shite treatment of people is allowed.
Fuck P&O, I will NEVER, even if they backtrack, sail on their vessels ever again.
I suggest you don’t either.
Where is Rees-Mogg? I would like to know if I can count this one as a Brexit benefit or not.
So how do they get by the minimum wage law in the UK? 2.60 isn’t even a wage. It’s an allowance…
How is it possible that 800 staff were made redundant on the spot and not be eligible for a consultation period while still on full pay?
Even if you are fired for gross misconduct you have to go through a lengthy process that can take months.
Leaving the EU would not have changed our employment laws, so how is this legal?
Tbh I’ve only patronised P&O on three occasions so hardly a regular but on principle I’ll never use this company again.
Have they replaced all 800 staff or are they using a lot less numbers to cover the same work?
This is one of those things that looked good on paper until the crew start crashing ships and suddenly it costs more than paying the original staff.
Maybe it’s just one big insurance scam to downsize the fleet.
This is because capitalism doesn’t work. Even when it’s regualted, which it *must* be, they get around it. It’s really just greed and selfishness. Call it that instead.
And people wonder why ship crews resort to theft and smuggling…
Ah well, there goes the ferry option when travelling to Europe.
Just what the Tories wanted. And before any disagrees, the Tories would say if they are willing to work for peanut, then why can’t you. So don’t expect the minimum wage to rise, you are being payed too much as it is.
Sack all top levels.
Privatise the business..
Increase fairs to cover losses.
Because they can get away with it. I bet none of this has even slightly affected sales.
> Speaking on the condition of anonymity, [One 59-year-old man who worked with the company for 23 years] told MailOnline that cheaper agency workers, understood to be from Eastern Europe, were being brought in on wages of £2 to £3 per hour to replace British sailors whose hourly rates can eclipse £28.
Is that their only source? Because it doesn’t sound like a particularly reliable one.
More abuse from the many authoritarian friends of your pals and mine, the Tories.
The Tories are so very quiet on this as they watch on in envy as a another nation uses victorian employment practices.
From another Redditor:
>So P&O European Ferries was a thing since P&O group bought out the European Ferries group (Townsend Thoresen) in the late 1980’s. Naturally, a certain incident somewhat accelerated the rebranding exercise, but those operations are the roots of the P&O Ferries services as of last week.
>Also in the 1980’s, the UK Govt. sold off the UK nationalised ferry operations of Sealink to Sea Containers Ltd. These operations originated from the steam packet operations of the railways, and were nationalised as part of BR.
>The Sealink business was later sold on to Stena Line, who rebranded the operation a couple of times before getting back to the Stena Line name.
>In the late 1990’s, with the Sealink agreement with SNCF falling apart and competition from Eurotunnel, Stena and P&O sought to consolidate their Short Sea (Dover/Newhaven) operations, merging to form P&O Stena Line. A few years later, P&O bought out the Stena stake in this to revert to P&O Ferries.
>The remaining Stena Line routes today are the continuation of the former BR operations away from the English Channel.
>P&O Cruises have pretty much always been managed separately from the ferry operations, instead developing from P&O’s passenger liner business through the course of the late 20th century. Even when they were both part of P&O Group it’s a fairly loose association. The cruise business was spun off in 2000 as P&O Princess Cruises before merging/being taken over by Carnival to become Carnival Corp & plc.
So yeah.