Trump envoy Kellogg: Ukraine could be divided like Berlin after Second World War – Proposal would require Zelensky to cede control of eastern areas under Russian control

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/04/11/ukraine-divide-berlin-russia-second-world-war/

by brezhnervouz

48 comments

  1. Except for one slight difference…the war was *already over and Germany had unconditionally surrendered* when that happened! FFS 🙄

  3. Funny how the biggest enemy of the US gets cookies now

  4. We are all trying to make sense about what is happening to the US under the premise that they haven’t betrayed their allies, but honestly, the only thing that makes sense right now is that Trump and his cronies are compromised, and are doing the bidding of Putin.

    Honestly, I am not seeing any other explanation that fits with the rest that is happening. They are killing the US dollar, they are dismantling the collective West, they are betraying allies left and right, but somehow Russia is treated like an old friend.

    Anyone that can offer another explanation for all of this, because I just can’t see it any longer.

  5. History demonstrates repeatedly this kind of proposal is not peace, it’s coddling tyranny and justifying its continuation.

  6. Kellog’s offers are dead from beginning. Zelensky is heavily dependant on ukraininan society, and any land deals with russia will be interpreted by ukrainians as betrayal.

    Ukrainians convinced that this is not fight for lands – this is fight for Ukraine existance in general, and Russia did all it can to convince any ukraininan, that they will die in fight with dream that other ukrainians will survive and push agressosor back to swamps or die in prison / filtration camp / tortured and raped to death once lands will be seized. So choice is pretty obvious.

    Dunno why Kellog still did not get this point. Not much he can do about it.

  7. The USSR withdrew from all of Afghanistan and they didn’t suffer nearly as many losses as the Russians are in Ukraine. Russia can’t win this and to surrender any territory at the table will be a betrayal of Ukraine.

  9. Kellogg, the reason Germany after WW2 was divided was because Germany was an Ahole that needed to chill for a decade or 2. Why should Ukraine be divided? it did nothing wrong. On the contrary. Russia has been an AHOLE. Been that since 2014! and before Russia is the one that needed to be divided and chill for a few decades.

  11. Funny, my proposal to Reddit is that we distribute Kellog’s house and possessions to five random Redditors.

  12. >Trump envoy Kellogg

    Oh look who crawled out of the woodwork again.

  13. And you know what??

    We can also divide all of General Kellogg’s assets.

    We can give his main residence to some guy. Give his cottage to that lady. Divide his bank accounts among those people over there.

    We can have a lottery for divvying up his cars, and other valuables.

    *How do YOU like it General, sir??*

  14. From the 2/3 of sane Americans.

    🖕🏿Fuck off Kellog🖕🏿

  16. He’s got no idea, does he? It is Russia that could be divided like this. Ukraine is not losing the war and Russia is running out of everything.

  18. Kellogg = 21st Century version of Neville Chamberlain.

    F#<€ off, Keith.

  19. ruZZian agents the lot of then luckily Zelennsky has more backbone in his little finger than all of them combined

  20. We can just devide kellogs realestate, one half for him and the other half for the druglords and criminals in the respektive areas.

  22. Berlin wall is like the worst thing that came past ww2. What kind of bath salts is this guy on?

  23. Never thought i could fell disgust about a nation like I feel for RuZzia. But the new Traitor US comes very close nowadays.

  25. How about no.

    Next up, “Maybe Canada just needs to cede some of the south.”

  26. One solution would be for the Americans to give Ukraine a piece of the mainland United States equal in size to the land Ukraine would surrender to Russia.

    Another would be for Russia to go back to their own fucking country.

  27. Russia is the aggressor.

    Therfore I agree, Russia should be divided up like Berlin and Germany post WW2

  29. Appeasement, that’s the ticket! What could possibly go wrong.

  31. So, like, How Germany and the Russians divided Poland. The whole Molotov Ribbentrop Pact conversation people have been talking about for months.

  32. Americans tried to tell us to stay above 17th parallel. We gave them the finger and proceeded south to reclaim our land. 30th of April this year, we are celebrating 50 years of country’s unification. Hopefully, Ukriane will be able to reunite the country one day.

  34. Trump has, is and always will be a pawn of Russia. Incapable of negotiating in good peace. Show me once he has actually taken a hard line to Russia.

  35. Cede control? Ukraine doesn’t have control of the eastern territories. If I recall Zelenskyy was open to acknowledging de facto but not de jour Russian control

  36. Is the Trump envoy negotiating on the russian side of the table?

  39. So, in return for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, Ukraine gets cut in half and can prep up for genocide.

    Now we all know that haggling starts high. But we are haggling with LIVES here. Every day we waste with ridiculous demands, more people die. And since Ukrainian AND Russian people die, it’s obvious these scumbags care about neither.

    Also, the USA is constantly haggling IN RUSSIA’S FAVOUR. It’s silly to see it any other way, but they’re also doing some really awful haggling which Ukraine will not agree to.

  41. That’s the wrong analogy. It’s not East and West Berlin. It’s East and West Poland. In this analogy, Putin is Stalin, and Trump is Hitler.

  42. I hope these sycophants of Trump (and I am not a liberal) realize that we will judge them and judge them harshly, for decades, based on how principled they act now. If they decide that their goal is not to defeat Russia, but to divide up Ukraine, we will despise their family for generations.

  43. Wow what a good deal, art of negotiation????
    What a stupid proposal

  46. What the actual fuck did Ukraine do to deserve the BErlin treatment? Even Germany shouldn’t have been split like that. Fucking russian scum sympathysers

  47. If anything should be divided, it should be moscow. It’s the capital of the agressor, like Berlin in WW2.

  48. Discarding the not impossible hypothesis that Trump is an Putin agent, this means that Trump administration do not have any idea about how to end this war. Putin would never admit troops from NATO countries in Ukraine borders with Russia. The war will proceed until the dead of Putin or Ukraine disappear as independent state. The last hypothesis will be the end of Europe as a democracy.

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