Poland is set to ban photography at more than 20,000 locations including ports, railways, bridges, and government buildings- under sweeping new national security laws designed to prevent espionage. Only 3% of the locations covered by the ban are military facilities; most are civilian infrastructure.
makes total sense in our country. its not like i can go to any store and see boobs displayed in the “for men” section of the papers without even buying anything
Russians are sabotaging primarily civilian infrastructure for years and y’all complaining that the government finally does something about it?
Want to import toxic food? ARGH! Cannot photograph, to the jail.
Government doing something shady? ARGH! To the spy jail!
An Oligarch visiting a Ministry? ARGH! To the spy jail!
Train spotting 😭
No nie wiem nie wiem, trochę dziwny pomysł
Civilian infrastructure is still targeted in war, key railways, key ports, airports, the power grid. why are you surprised?
How does a ban like this get enforced? It’s so broad I can’t believe there’s an effective way to enforce it? And if espionage is the concern, then this does nothing to those who take discrete photos because, well, they’re spies who can take discrete photos.
This is called actionism.
Introduction slavery in small steps. Taking out freedom piece by piece using fear of imaginary spies.
Ruska kurwa
And that is the right thing to do. Believe me, i’m Ukrainian
“Watch Dogs: Legion” ahh law
Will it be any marks possible to notice for regular tourist? If you have government building in the middle of main town square it can be not so easy to understand.
Train spotters are fucked
Oh yes ww3 is coming :(((
belapol
This is another authoritarian tool of oppression (like “chat control”) that gets enfored whenever it suits the government. It’s gonna hit a lot of random people taking pictures not even aware that by chance a “sensitive” bridge or a random government office ended up on the frame.
I for example regularly go on long photo walks, drifting through city streets with no aim for hours, hoping for something interesting to capture. There’s a 0% chance I haven’t taken pictures already of some of those objects without even knowing. Poznań Główny from various angles for example, just because it’s so incredibly ugly and I want to be prepared for before-after photos once it gets replaced. And then there’s millions of tourists running around with cameras, like in central Warsaw, which happens to be busy with government offices. What about my pictures of [Lake Malta](https://www.reddit.com/r/Poznan/comments/1jlupzi/empty_lake_malta/), an artifical lake that could be used by saboteurs to cause a flood once it’s filled again? I just missed the ~~dam~~ lock/weir(?) by ten meters or so.
Enforcement on the street is already going to be arbitrary. Depending on who you are and how much prosecutors and judges like your face, outcomes will also vastly differ.
It also gives the executive branch the power to arrest anyone nearly anywhere at any time for no reason, because as soon as you handle a smartphone, the “reasonable” assumption is of course that you could have illegaly taken a picture. What would have been wrong in 1950 is much worse today, when virtually the entire population walks around with a camera 24/7.
And then It does of course nothing to prevent espionage or sabotage, so it’s also populism.
I expect this to be challenged in European courts. I’m also surprised to see this being passed by this government.
we did it! we stopped terrorism!
I guess I won’t be able to take pictures of my trips to Poland from now on? I used to love visiting and taking some pictures just like I do everywhere I go. I like public infrastructure and I take pictures in many countries. Train stations. Trams. Bridges. Architecture. Etc…
Weird.
PRL reconstruction group
What about flying drones over them?
Actually, there is a law regulating that issue. Google Translate is your friend.
Na pewno ten zakaz zniechęcić szpiegów do robienia zdjęć. To tak jakby powiedzieć, że zakaz posiadania narkotyków zniechęca dilerów do ich sprzedaży. Tego typu zakazy robienia zdjęć będą bardziej służyły jako wskaźnik tego co jest na tyle ważną infrastrukturą krytyczną, że warto by było jej zrobić zdjęcia z perspektywy szpiega
Absolutely fantastic news. Maybe this will encourage others countries to also mobilise more seriously.
It is not true and misinterpretation – this law will not ban foto on those 20,000 locations – it only open a possibility to introduce photo ban for up to 20,000 locations , bit additional requirement need to be fulfilled.
Not good anyway but article is misleading.
Places that will be covered with this ban need to have quite big sign placed in visible place every 50 m so it should bye difficult miss it and accidentally taka photo of the place that is under this ban.
On the other hand You can always walk next to those places with big camera and not take any photos.
Sweden had a similiar law, they’re called Skyddsobjekt here. Not all Skyddsobjekt have a photography ban, but a large number have. Some examples generally are airports airside, police stations, water treatment plants, electrical plants etc.
Criminal state does criminal things.
Imagine my surprise xD
And slowly your freedoms will just be taken away, one after the other.
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Another wonderful idea of our enlightened government
Soo can i get GROM team under my house for posting a picture of sunset over a port or bridge?
https://preview.redd.it/rldujgebfsue1.jpeg?width=1091&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0653d9f3f5980aa54ec629123fabed2858db6c65
makes total sense in our country. its not like i can go to any store and see boobs displayed in the “for men” section of the papers without even buying anything
Russians are sabotaging primarily civilian infrastructure for years and y’all complaining that the government finally does something about it?
https://preview.redd.it/80g7yu3ihsue1.png?width=102&format=png&auto=webp&s=6ec7b15288d0c5866e0a4e29c1126403437e4c5d
Even PiS didn’t pass something that invasive.
I wonder what this does to StreetView.
Russian and Belarusian spies 🕵️♀️
Finaly, kurwa!
It’s not an anti-espionage law.
It’s an ass cover for all the dirty politicians.
Want to import toxic food? ARGH! Cannot photograph, to the jail.
Government doing something shady? ARGH! To the spy jail!
An Oligarch visiting a Ministry? ARGH! To the spy jail!
Train spotting 😭
No nie wiem nie wiem, trochę dziwny pomysł
Civilian infrastructure is still targeted in war, key railways, key ports, airports, the power grid. why are you surprised?
How does a ban like this get enforced? It’s so broad I can’t believe there’s an effective way to enforce it? And if espionage is the concern, then this does nothing to those who take discrete photos because, well, they’re spies who can take discrete photos.
This is called actionism.
Introduction slavery in small steps. Taking out freedom piece by piece using fear of imaginary spies.
Ruska kurwa
And that is the right thing to do. Believe me, i’m Ukrainian
“Watch Dogs: Legion” ahh law
Will it be any marks possible to notice for regular tourist? If you have government building in the middle of main town square it can be not so easy to understand.
Train spotters are fucked
Oh yes ww3 is coming :(((
belapol
This is another authoritarian tool of oppression (like “chat control”) that gets enfored whenever it suits the government. It’s gonna hit a lot of random people taking pictures not even aware that by chance a “sensitive” bridge or a random government office ended up on the frame.
I for example regularly go on long photo walks, drifting through city streets with no aim for hours, hoping for something interesting to capture. There’s a 0% chance I haven’t taken pictures already of some of those objects without even knowing. Poznań Główny from various angles for example, just because it’s so incredibly ugly and I want to be prepared for before-after photos once it gets replaced. And then there’s millions of tourists running around with cameras, like in central Warsaw, which happens to be busy with government offices. What about my pictures of [Lake Malta](https://www.reddit.com/r/Poznan/comments/1jlupzi/empty_lake_malta/), an artifical lake that could be used by saboteurs to cause a flood once it’s filled again? I just missed the ~~dam~~ lock/weir(?) by ten meters or so.
Enforcement on the street is already going to be arbitrary. Depending on who you are and how much prosecutors and judges like your face, outcomes will also vastly differ.
It also gives the executive branch the power to arrest anyone nearly anywhere at any time for no reason, because as soon as you handle a smartphone, the “reasonable” assumption is of course that you could have illegaly taken a picture. What would have been wrong in 1950 is much worse today, when virtually the entire population walks around with a camera 24/7.
And then It does of course nothing to prevent espionage or sabotage, so it’s also populism.
I expect this to be challenged in European courts. I’m also surprised to see this being passed by this government.
we did it! we stopped terrorism!
I guess I won’t be able to take pictures of my trips to Poland from now on? I used to love visiting and taking some pictures just like I do everywhere I go. I like public infrastructure and I take pictures in many countries. Train stations. Trams. Bridges. Architecture. Etc…
Weird.
PRL reconstruction group
What about flying drones over them?
Actually, there is a law regulating that issue. Google Translate is your friend.
https://sip.lex.pl/akty-prawne/dzu-dziennik-ustaw/obrona-ojczyzny-19220069/art-616-a?_gl=1*sdju6n*_ga*MTI5MTc1NjA3Mi4xNzQ0NjM3MDQw*_ga_TRNTF04CYF*MTc0NDYzNzA0MC4xLjAuMTc0NDYzNzA0MC4wLjAuMA..
Na pewno ten zakaz zniechęcić szpiegów do robienia zdjęć. To tak jakby powiedzieć, że zakaz posiadania narkotyków zniechęca dilerów do ich sprzedaży. Tego typu zakazy robienia zdjęć będą bardziej służyły jako wskaźnik tego co jest na tyle ważną infrastrukturą krytyczną, że warto by było jej zrobić zdjęcia z perspektywy szpiega
Absolutely fantastic news. Maybe this will encourage others countries to also mobilise more seriously.
It is not true and misinterpretation – this law will not ban foto on those 20,000 locations – it only open a possibility to introduce photo ban for up to 20,000 locations , bit additional requirement need to be fulfilled.
Not good anyway but article is misleading.
Places that will be covered with this ban need to have quite big sign placed in visible place every 50 m so it should bye difficult miss it and accidentally taka photo of the place that is under this ban.
On the other hand You can always walk next to those places with big camera and not take any photos.
Sweden had a similiar law, they’re called Skyddsobjekt here. Not all Skyddsobjekt have a photography ban, but a large number have. Some examples generally are airports airside, police stations, water treatment plants, electrical plants etc.
Criminal state does criminal things.
Imagine my surprise xD
And slowly your freedoms will just be taken away, one after the other.
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