Reading this guys point of view in this article is hilarious. The bloke is delusional and trying to find any excuse not to raise his pay/conditions to actually fill his placements.
> Mr Ashworth said one way to alleviate the staffing crisis could be by having a work permit system similar to that in Australia set up in the UK to attract the foreign workers the industry has relied on.
Hmm sounds familiar!
“Tory boy Boris clone has to eat turd of own laying”
There’s this crazy mindset within hospitality that £10 is a high wage, likely as a result of people who grew up with a lot less as standard wages.
But… £10 isn’t that much any more. Goods inflation (and shrinkflation) has made everything more expensive, taxes up, energy through the roof…
Had a leaflet through the door yesterday from Domino’s, they’re offering £10.50 an hour + £1 per delivery + fuel costs + tips (but lets not normalise those please).
Meanwhile, I know somebody working at a self declared luxury hotel on a national trust estate, they’ve just had to up their base staff rate to £11.50 and the business is wondering why they’re not attracting staff.
The answer (as always) is that you can get paid more elsewhere for less effort. Why bother getting dressed up, driving to work, doing a full shift and driving back when you can throw on your comfies and a store provided top and drive around listening to music/podcasts for the same amount of money (but likely more)?
Businesses that want to survive need to stop looking at the minimum wage as a base level and look at the rates that are being paid around them, then increase based on how they wish to ‘sell’ their business.
A luxury restaurant/hotel/store should be paying far above minimum wage, that’s part of the justification of the high prices. Instead there’s just been a siphoning of extra wealth to management and shareholders and now they’re stuck with no staff.
Poor wages, rising costs, no where to live as every other property is a London 2nd home and a guarantee that you’re always going to be short staffed and worked to the bone with no reward. Yeah hard pass.
>Mr Ashworth believes it is in the interests of everyone if work is made more attractive than being on employment benefits
I think we can all agree with Mr Ashworth on this point.
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>But more importantly, he believes the benefits system ought to be reviewed to encourage people to be in work
*Aaaaand* here’s where his mask slips.
People would absolutely dive into jobs that were made more attractive than being on employment benefits. But what he actually wants to do is not encourage work with a nice carrot, but discourage claimants with a rod of hardship, where poorly paid labour provides a slightly better subsistence.
Ultimately, if you aren’t willing to pay a living wage then you are asking people to subsidise your profit margins with their quality of life.
Who wants to tell him that many of the people on benefits are already in work, and some at poverty-pay hotels such as his?
He needs to publish a list of all his staff who are also on benefits – not to shame THEM either, but to illustrate how piss poor his pay packets actually are.
What’s the average house price there, what’s the average rental price.
Pay more money or stfu.
I worked in a hotel, so this is extra funny to me. They treat you like _shit_ and rely on the fact that there’s always another desperate native Brit that needs the work, or immigrants from Eastern Europe with a heavily skewed balance in the working relationship having to put up with it or pack their bags and go home. Management treated them like shit, but if they were let go or didn’t get enough hours with their zero hour contract, they were screwed and their only option was to go home.
It was routine for management to make you work longer hours, then “correct” your timesheet because you shouldn’t have been working those hours, they would take tips, they would berate workers for not looking busy even when there was nothing to do, and much more.
And that’s without touching on the fact that Covid probably has made retail work even worse and less attractive. With Brexit and the supply of workers having dried up, it sounds to me like someone is mad they can’t just treat their labour like dirt safe in the knowledge there will always be someone to take their place if they object.
No sympathy. Reading the article I see my previous management in him, so I can’t help but feel a bit giddy at the thought of him getting comeuppance.
The problem with Cornwall is no one is going to take a seasonal, zero hours job on minimum wage unless they absolutely have to.
Full time work on a fairly paid wage? No problem filling those vacancies but I doubt you will find them in the hospitality industry.
Saw the article’s website name and just thought “that will be Truro”
Said to be more expensive to live there than London, in fact 3rd (joint with Bath) most unaffordable place to live in the UK. Only Oxford and Winchester are more so.
Your “Luxury Hotel” is in a tourist trap where your workforce cannot afford lodgings within a reasonable radius to travel there. His “master plan” isn’t going to change that fact either.
There are over 1.3 *million* job vacancies in the UK right now – no one is “on benefits” unless they’re too ill/disabled to work.
We need to end this stupid myth that people simply can’t be arsed to work and simply lounge around on benefits. The penalties for not genuinely trying to find work are efficient and simple – get your benefits cut off. It is simply impossible to just live off benefits nowadays if you’re too lazy to work.
And how is someone on minimum wage expected to live in Truro Cornwall, or does he expect them to live hours away and commute in and cover the cost of that fuel with their minimum wage? Absolute moron this dude
Some of the hotels and restaurants in Cornwall are in very expensive areas to live. This makes it very difficult for staff on low wages to afford to live locally and therefor have to have their own transport to drive miles to work. Padstow is a good example of this.
Unemployment is the lowest it’s been for a long time, last I checked?
It’s rather ironic that he’s bashing those on benefits, while asking the governement for benefits in the form of cheap labor.
I’ve lived in Cornwall and done hotel work it just wasn’t enough money, rents are high, everything is a bloody air bnb or second home and it costs a lot to get around the county. When you want to leave the county you’re miles from anywhere and you often have to leave for health care and the like
Maybe we should join the EU and increase the labour pool?? Far out idea I know.
I don’t understand. The last I checked, if you’re able to work, the most you can get in the UK is about £300 a month. That’s not enough to live on and is disgusting. Plus all the hoops you have to go through to get that.
If you’re such a nightmare gobshite to work for that people would rather live on that then maybe you should close your business and get in the sea?
>Mr Ashworth believes it is in the interests of everyone if work is made more attractive than being on employment benefits
There are two very different interpretations of that belief.
You really have to believe other brits are basically subhuman to think the solution here is making benefits *less attractive*. There are vanishingly few people who relish the prospect of being on UC for any length of time, and most people are forced to make hundreds of bullshit job applications while they’re on it.
Maybe don’t ask for 200 years of hotel experience as a minimum, with shit wage and a PHD in hospitality
working hotel service is hell. i’ve been there, done that. pulled 16 hour shifts due to people calling in sick, had to do housekeeping & front of house, plus the bar on sundays. people don’t want to work themselves into the ground for poverty wages. and cornwall has a lot of its own economic issues. so no, it’s not people lounging on benefits. these business owners seem to think benefits are thousands of pounds each month, i swear.
It’s a capitalist society we live in. Supply and demand, it works both ways pal. If you can’t get the workers then you pay more to attract them and keep them. You do not undercut them and slyly force them into working for you.
Reading the comments on the OP, apparently he charges customers £480+ per room per night, yet the bulk of his staff are on minimum wage zero hours contracts, and the tied staff accommodation is bedsits on an industrial estate overlooking the sewage works.
Added onto which, for hotels without tied accommodation, finding staff is legit to be tricky due to the high cost of accommodation down there.
Hotel Housekeeper = £10.25 an hour
Restaurant Manager = Up to £35k a year
Maintenance Manager – 5* Luxury Country House Hotel = From £32k a year
Maintenance Supervisor = £9.50 to £10.50 an hour
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Not being funny, but the first and last job listing are paying barely over NMW! And he wonders why he can’t get staff? haha. My man, you can’t get staff because you are paying them peanuts AND it is probably relatively more expensive to live in that area, thus you are doing sod all to help people live in the local area!
We need something similar to the antiwork movement here.
Not because people don’t want to work
They just don’t want to work shit jobs for shit pay.
yes, skivvers who don’t want to live in the middle of nowhere, work 50 plus hour weeks for minimum wage clean bogs and bowing and grovelling to wealthy twats…ooh what a career
Cunt that probably voted to brexit is moaning that we have a benefit system because he cannot persuade poor people to be his slave. now wants immigration to keep his shit business open.
Ah the good old too many people on benefits line. All I see is “I don’t want to pay my staff a living wage”
The funny thing is, people are maybe just starting to realise, if a business pays its staff so poorly that they have to go on benefits… it’s not the staff “mooching” off the government it’s the businesses. The welfare is essentially us taxpayers subsidising corporations shorty wages
Lol, majority on benefits work. UC has replaced the working tax credit, which is a top up to shitty wages. The idea that folk on benefits are having a great time fell foul during the pandemic when a few million more people ended up having to claim UC. The reason for the 20 quid top up was these folk could not afford to live. The tabloids headline of 2 holidays a year and lavish lifestyle was shown to be frankly bollocks. Problem is that for the past two decades cuts to maintain profits has been rampant. There is no margin to allow better wages or to reduce the costs and costs are rising rapidly.
The Uk benefits system is the worst in fucking Europe. What does he want ? Poorhouses ?
Ah Cornwall where the wage to rent and house prices is so out of wack that if you don’t own your own house fucking leave ASAP.
Source grew up their. My parents bought their house for 60k it’s now worth a million…
These right-wingers have been the push behind the very things that is now destroying their livelihood: Welfare-reform and Brexit.
It used to be that UK workers were supported in part-time or seasonal work by the welfare system, now they are not. No one is going to give up a full-time job to work in a seasonal job where there are almost no other jobs in that area out of season.
What this means is most people in the UK cannot possibly take a seasonal job.
He just wants to a poor people to support his greedy lifestyle. Hope he goes bankrupt and finds himself applying to work for shit money from someone like himself while having to rent a shitty overpriced flat from someone like himself.
Just pay people a fucking living wage! I dont want extravagant holidays/cars or a mansion. Just enough to make a damn modest life for myself. Pay me enough for that and you’ll get the hardest working staff member who will stay with you until retirement.
One look at the guy and it’s obvious he’s an entitled Tory prick. There are too many people on benefits because jobs don’t pay enough, the cost of living keeps rising and too much money is hoarded by the mega-rich. A 10% wealth tax would fix everything but the right somehow never seem to be ready for that conversation…
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Reading this guys point of view in this article is hilarious. The bloke is delusional and trying to find any excuse not to raise his pay/conditions to actually fill his placements.
> Mr Ashworth said one way to alleviate the staffing crisis could be by having a work permit system similar to that in Australia set up in the UK to attract the foreign workers the industry has relied on.
Hmm sounds familiar!
“Tory boy Boris clone has to eat turd of own laying”
There’s this crazy mindset within hospitality that £10 is a high wage, likely as a result of people who grew up with a lot less as standard wages.
But… £10 isn’t that much any more. Goods inflation (and shrinkflation) has made everything more expensive, taxes up, energy through the roof…
Had a leaflet through the door yesterday from Domino’s, they’re offering £10.50 an hour + £1 per delivery + fuel costs + tips (but lets not normalise those please).
Meanwhile, I know somebody working at a self declared luxury hotel on a national trust estate, they’ve just had to up their base staff rate to £11.50 and the business is wondering why they’re not attracting staff.
The answer (as always) is that you can get paid more elsewhere for less effort. Why bother getting dressed up, driving to work, doing a full shift and driving back when you can throw on your comfies and a store provided top and drive around listening to music/podcasts for the same amount of money (but likely more)?
Businesses that want to survive need to stop looking at the minimum wage as a base level and look at the rates that are being paid around them, then increase based on how they wish to ‘sell’ their business.
A luxury restaurant/hotel/store should be paying far above minimum wage, that’s part of the justification of the high prices. Instead there’s just been a siphoning of extra wealth to management and shareholders and now they’re stuck with no staff.
Poor wages, rising costs, no where to live as every other property is a London 2nd home and a guarantee that you’re always going to be short staffed and worked to the bone with no reward. Yeah hard pass.
>Mr Ashworth believes it is in the interests of everyone if work is made more attractive than being on employment benefits
I think we can all agree with Mr Ashworth on this point.
​
>But more importantly, he believes the benefits system ought to be reviewed to encourage people to be in work
*Aaaaand* here’s where his mask slips.
People would absolutely dive into jobs that were made more attractive than being on employment benefits. But what he actually wants to do is not encourage work with a nice carrot, but discourage claimants with a rod of hardship, where poorly paid labour provides a slightly better subsistence.
At present, [1 in 10 say they can’t reasonably afford their food and bills](https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/news/articles/one-ten-employees-dont-earn-enough-pay-for-food-and-bills) with their current wages.
Ultimately, if you aren’t willing to pay a living wage then you are asking people to subsidise your profit margins with their quality of life.
Who wants to tell him that many of the people on benefits are already in work, and some at poverty-pay hotels such as his?
He needs to publish a list of all his staff who are also on benefits – not to shame THEM either, but to illustrate how piss poor his pay packets actually are.
What’s the average house price there, what’s the average rental price.
Pay more money or stfu.
I worked in a hotel, so this is extra funny to me. They treat you like _shit_ and rely on the fact that there’s always another desperate native Brit that needs the work, or immigrants from Eastern Europe with a heavily skewed balance in the working relationship having to put up with it or pack their bags and go home. Management treated them like shit, but if they were let go or didn’t get enough hours with their zero hour contract, they were screwed and their only option was to go home.
It was routine for management to make you work longer hours, then “correct” your timesheet because you shouldn’t have been working those hours, they would take tips, they would berate workers for not looking busy even when there was nothing to do, and much more.
And that’s without touching on the fact that Covid probably has made retail work even worse and less attractive. With Brexit and the supply of workers having dried up, it sounds to me like someone is mad they can’t just treat their labour like dirt safe in the knowledge there will always be someone to take their place if they object.
No sympathy. Reading the article I see my previous management in him, so I can’t help but feel a bit giddy at the thought of him getting comeuppance.
The problem with Cornwall is no one is going to take a seasonal, zero hours job on minimum wage unless they absolutely have to.
Full time work on a fairly paid wage? No problem filling those vacancies but I doubt you will find them in the hospitality industry.
Saw the article’s website name and just thought “that will be Truro”
Said to be more expensive to live there than London, in fact 3rd (joint with Bath) most unaffordable place to live in the UK. Only Oxford and Winchester are more so.
Your “Luxury Hotel” is in a tourist trap where your workforce cannot afford lodgings within a reasonable radius to travel there. His “master plan” isn’t going to change that fact either.
There are over 1.3 *million* job vacancies in the UK right now – no one is “on benefits” unless they’re too ill/disabled to work.
We need to end this stupid myth that people simply can’t be arsed to work and simply lounge around on benefits. The penalties for not genuinely trying to find work are efficient and simple – get your benefits cut off. It is simply impossible to just live off benefits nowadays if you’re too lazy to work.
And how is someone on minimum wage expected to live in Truro Cornwall, or does he expect them to live hours away and commute in and cover the cost of that fuel with their minimum wage? Absolute moron this dude
Some of the hotels and restaurants in Cornwall are in very expensive areas to live. This makes it very difficult for staff on low wages to afford to live locally and therefor have to have their own transport to drive miles to work. Padstow is a good example of this.
Unemployment is the lowest it’s been for a long time, last I checked?
It’s rather ironic that he’s bashing those on benefits, while asking the governement for benefits in the form of cheap labor.
I’ve lived in Cornwall and done hotel work it just wasn’t enough money, rents are high, everything is a bloody air bnb or second home and it costs a lot to get around the county. When you want to leave the county you’re miles from anywhere and you often have to leave for health care and the like
Maybe we should join the EU and increase the labour pool?? Far out idea I know.
I don’t understand. The last I checked, if you’re able to work, the most you can get in the UK is about £300 a month. That’s not enough to live on and is disgusting. Plus all the hoops you have to go through to get that.
If you’re such a nightmare gobshite to work for that people would rather live on that then maybe you should close your business and get in the sea?
>Mr Ashworth believes it is in the interests of everyone if work is made more attractive than being on employment benefits
There are two very different interpretations of that belief.
You really have to believe other brits are basically subhuman to think the solution here is making benefits *less attractive*. There are vanishingly few people who relish the prospect of being on UC for any length of time, and most people are forced to make hundreds of bullshit job applications while they’re on it.
Maybe don’t ask for 200 years of hotel experience as a minimum, with shit wage and a PHD in hospitality
working hotel service is hell. i’ve been there, done that. pulled 16 hour shifts due to people calling in sick, had to do housekeeping & front of house, plus the bar on sundays. people don’t want to work themselves into the ground for poverty wages. and cornwall has a lot of its own economic issues. so no, it’s not people lounging on benefits. these business owners seem to think benefits are thousands of pounds each month, i swear.
It’s a capitalist society we live in. Supply and demand, it works both ways pal. If you can’t get the workers then you pay more to attract them and keep them. You do not undercut them and slyly force them into working for you.
Reading the comments on the OP, apparently he charges customers £480+ per room per night, yet the bulk of his staff are on minimum wage zero hours contracts, and the tied staff accommodation is bedsits on an industrial estate overlooking the sewage works.
Added onto which, for hotels without tied accommodation, finding staff is legit to be tricky due to the high cost of accommodation down there.
Some of the [active listings](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nare+hotel+jobs) he has right now are:
Hotel Housekeeper = £10.25 an hour
Restaurant Manager = Up to £35k a year
Maintenance Manager – 5* Luxury Country House Hotel = From £32k a year
Maintenance Supervisor = £9.50 to £10.50 an hour
​
Not being funny, but the first and last job listing are paying barely over NMW! And he wonders why he can’t get staff? haha. My man, you can’t get staff because you are paying them peanuts AND it is probably relatively more expensive to live in that area, thus you are doing sod all to help people live in the local area!
Even the [Restaurant](https://uk.indeed.com/career/restaurant-manager/salaries) and [Maintenance](https://uk.indeed.com/career/maintenance-manager/salaries) Manager wages don’t look the best.
We need something similar to the antiwork movement here.
Not because people don’t want to work
They just don’t want to work shit jobs for shit pay.
yes, skivvers who don’t want to live in the middle of nowhere, work 50 plus hour weeks for minimum wage clean bogs and bowing and grovelling to wealthy twats…ooh what a career
Cunt that probably voted to brexit is moaning that we have a benefit system because he cannot persuade poor people to be his slave. now wants immigration to keep his shit business open.
Ah the good old too many people on benefits line. All I see is “I don’t want to pay my staff a living wage”
The funny thing is, people are maybe just starting to realise, if a business pays its staff so poorly that they have to go on benefits… it’s not the staff “mooching” off the government it’s the businesses. The welfare is essentially us taxpayers subsidising corporations shorty wages
Lol, majority on benefits work. UC has replaced the working tax credit, which is a top up to shitty wages. The idea that folk on benefits are having a great time fell foul during the pandemic when a few million more people ended up having to claim UC. The reason for the 20 quid top up was these folk could not afford to live. The tabloids headline of 2 holidays a year and lavish lifestyle was shown to be frankly bollocks. Problem is that for the past two decades cuts to maintain profits has been rampant. There is no margin to allow better wages or to reduce the costs and costs are rising rapidly.
The Uk benefits system is the worst in fucking Europe. What does he want ? Poorhouses ?
Ah Cornwall where the wage to rent and house prices is so out of wack that if you don’t own your own house fucking leave ASAP.
Source grew up their. My parents bought their house for 60k it’s now worth a million…
These right-wingers have been the push behind the very things that is now destroying their livelihood: Welfare-reform and Brexit.
It used to be that UK workers were supported in part-time or seasonal work by the welfare system, now they are not. No one is going to give up a full-time job to work in a seasonal job where there are almost no other jobs in that area out of season.
What this means is most people in the UK cannot possibly take a seasonal job.
He just wants to a poor people to support his greedy lifestyle. Hope he goes bankrupt and finds himself applying to work for shit money from someone like himself while having to rent a shitty overpriced flat from someone like himself.
Just pay people a fucking living wage! I dont want extravagant holidays/cars or a mansion. Just enough to make a damn modest life for myself. Pay me enough for that and you’ll get the hardest working staff member who will stay with you until retirement.
One look at the guy and it’s obvious he’s an entitled Tory prick. There are too many people on benefits because jobs don’t pay enough, the cost of living keeps rising and too much money is hoarded by the mega-rich. A 10% wealth tax would fix everything but the right somehow never seem to be ready for that conversation…