“Those who live here, particularly around Dartmouth Square – an affluent Victorian rectangle of three-storey redbrick homes – are incensed at what might be coming”
They don’t want the poor people coming into their area.
There cannot be any major changes to the metro plans now.
It’s ready to go for planning now, the consultation is done.
Any major change would cause years more of delays.
Some examples of why this is such a shitty article.
From the subtitle:
>Work on foundations carried out though planning permission has yet to be sought
Planning permission has been sought for this work.
>It is what lies beneath that is causing a widening fissure between community and planners.
We don’t know that, all we know are a handful of names and residents who are opposed to this location of terminus. No evidence has ever been shown that suggests the location is unpopular with the local community, only that it’s unpopular with a few very loud and very wealthy local residents.
>Underneath the building site, preliminary foundation works have been carried out for the construction of a MetroLink interchange or terminus, even though planning permission has yet to be sought.
Again, planning permission has been sought for these works.
>For residents, it is an utterly inappropriate location for an underground station potentially ferrying Dublin’s southside community to and from the city’s airport.
1) No explanation of why it’s inappropriate.
2) Again, so far it’s only about a handful of local residents who oppose the location.
>Those who live here, particularly around Dartmouth Square – an affluent Victorian rectangle of three-storey redbrick homes – are incensed at what might be coming.
No evidence as to local residents, as a general group, being ‘incensed at what might be coming’.
>Is this area really the best place for a city-centre terminus for the next 25 to 30 years? Of course it isn’t,” says Black.
No explanation as to why it isn’t.
>With time running out, Black is to the forefront of efforts to force an 11th-hour rethink.
They already had their chance to influence the location of the station.
>Black and his family live on Dartmouth Road, right beside the Luas green line. If the terminus goes ahead, they could be staring at building hoardings outside their front gate for years.
FINALLY, at least the journalist is starting to get to the root of the opposition….
>But casting off suggestions of “nimbyism”, he cites several reasons residents believe the area is unsuitable for such a rail hub. These are outlined in detailed literature and a website – misplacedterminus.ie – and include concerns over traffic, an absence of transport links and perceived design flaws.
Oh I see. The journalist was doing no such thing. By the way, look at the shitty website and you’ll see their ‘reasons’ aren’t ‘detailed’ and are objectively dumb. Their biggest issue seems to be that “Stephen’s Green would be a better location for a terminus” yet under Metrolink, there will be a station there anyway. How is having one less stop ‘improving’ connectivity or access? 🤦♂️
>Although it would be possible to get the Luas to the terminus, residents argue this will not suit everyone and many, particularly those bound for the airport with heavy luggage, will opt to be dropped off and collected along the small, relatively inaccessible roads around Dartmouth.
This makes no sense. If people are getting dropped to the city centre with luggage to get to the airport, why wouldn’t they just get dropped to the airport? It’s guaranteed to take less time. I’ve also travelled to airports all over Europe via rail & bus including having to take escalators with ‘heavy luggage’ – it’s perfectly normal unless you live in Darmouth Square it seems.
>“It’s [about] the ability of this community to be able to absorb the amount of people. Even a small amount of people would be difficult,” says Black. “Effectively, the whole of the south side, if they want to drop off and pick up, they are going to come here.”
More irrational and illogical nonsense.
>Local architect and town planner James Pike also believes a terminus at Charlemont stands to cause congestion. “The main drop-off point would be along Dartmouth Road which does not have the width. And the canal [to the front] is not an option because it’s extremely busy anyway.”
I don’t see congestion around other inner city transit hubs. Busaras, Heuston, Connolly & the bus terminix along the quays don’t have the congestion these people believe a Charlemont stop will *magically* cause.
>Some residents consider the initial work at the site to have been executed without the level of transparency or due process they would like. Many believe it pre-empts the statutory planning process, thus “locking in” the route for the line.
The journalist could take the time to point out that “some residents” (of which “many believe”) are objectively wrong?
No, he couldn’t!
I’ll leave it at that as the rest is talking to a handful of other local residents who state more objectively untrue things, yet the journalist challenges none of them.
What an utter load of shite, both the journalist and the paper should be embarassed to have allowed it to be published.
Why is the Irish Times so opposed to progressing underground rail in Dublin? They’ve led a campaign for a number of years firstly opposing Metro North and now against Metrolink.
This is standard type of infrastructure in other European capital cities, and at this stage we really need to get on with building it. Hopefully, the planning application is submitted in the next few weeks and the project makes it to construction
Reminds me of that Irish tat shop (O’Carrolls?) trying to block the Luas cross-city as the construction might have affected their business for a bit.
These people are just scumbags, with no social belonging.
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“Those who live here, particularly around Dartmouth Square – an affluent Victorian rectangle of three-storey redbrick homes – are incensed at what might be coming”
They don’t want the poor people coming into their area.
There cannot be any major changes to the metro plans now.
It’s ready to go for planning now, the consultation is done.
Any major change would cause years more of delays.
Some examples of why this is such a shitty article.
From the subtitle:
>Work on foundations carried out though planning permission has yet to be sought
Planning permission has been sought for this work.
>It is what lies beneath that is causing a widening fissure between community and planners.
We don’t know that, all we know are a handful of names and residents who are opposed to this location of terminus. No evidence has ever been shown that suggests the location is unpopular with the local community, only that it’s unpopular with a few very loud and very wealthy local residents.
>Underneath the building site, preliminary foundation works have been carried out for the construction of a MetroLink interchange or terminus, even though planning permission has yet to be sought.
Again, planning permission has been sought for these works.
>For residents, it is an utterly inappropriate location for an underground station potentially ferrying Dublin’s southside community to and from the city’s airport.
1) No explanation of why it’s inappropriate.
2) Again, so far it’s only about a handful of local residents who oppose the location.
>Those who live here, particularly around Dartmouth Square – an affluent Victorian rectangle of three-storey redbrick homes – are incensed at what might be coming.
No evidence as to local residents, as a general group, being ‘incensed at what might be coming’.
>Is this area really the best place for a city-centre terminus for the next 25 to 30 years? Of course it isn’t,” says Black.
No explanation as to why it isn’t.
>With time running out, Black is to the forefront of efforts to force an 11th-hour rethink.
They already had their chance to influence the location of the station.
>Black and his family live on Dartmouth Road, right beside the Luas green line. If the terminus goes ahead, they could be staring at building hoardings outside their front gate for years.
FINALLY, at least the journalist is starting to get to the root of the opposition….
>But casting off suggestions of “nimbyism”, he cites several reasons residents believe the area is unsuitable for such a rail hub. These are outlined in detailed literature and a website – misplacedterminus.ie – and include concerns over traffic, an absence of transport links and perceived design flaws.
Oh I see. The journalist was doing no such thing. By the way, look at the shitty website and you’ll see their ‘reasons’ aren’t ‘detailed’ and are objectively dumb. Their biggest issue seems to be that “Stephen’s Green would be a better location for a terminus” yet under Metrolink, there will be a station there anyway. How is having one less stop ‘improving’ connectivity or access? 🤦♂️
>Although it would be possible to get the Luas to the terminus, residents argue this will not suit everyone and many, particularly those bound for the airport with heavy luggage, will opt to be dropped off and collected along the small, relatively inaccessible roads around Dartmouth.
This makes no sense. If people are getting dropped to the city centre with luggage to get to the airport, why wouldn’t they just get dropped to the airport? It’s guaranteed to take less time. I’ve also travelled to airports all over Europe via rail & bus including having to take escalators with ‘heavy luggage’ – it’s perfectly normal unless you live in Darmouth Square it seems.
>“It’s [about] the ability of this community to be able to absorb the amount of people. Even a small amount of people would be difficult,” says Black. “Effectively, the whole of the south side, if they want to drop off and pick up, they are going to come here.”
More irrational and illogical nonsense.
>Local architect and town planner James Pike also believes a terminus at Charlemont stands to cause congestion. “The main drop-off point would be along Dartmouth Road which does not have the width. And the canal [to the front] is not an option because it’s extremely busy anyway.”
I don’t see congestion around other inner city transit hubs. Busaras, Heuston, Connolly & the bus terminix along the quays don’t have the congestion these people believe a Charlemont stop will *magically* cause.
>Some residents consider the initial work at the site to have been executed without the level of transparency or due process they would like. Many believe it pre-empts the statutory planning process, thus “locking in” the route for the line.
The journalist could take the time to point out that “some residents” (of which “many believe”) are objectively wrong?
No, he couldn’t!
I’ll leave it at that as the rest is talking to a handful of other local residents who state more objectively untrue things, yet the journalist challenges none of them.
What an utter load of shite, both the journalist and the paper should be embarassed to have allowed it to be published.
Why is the Irish Times so opposed to progressing underground rail in Dublin? They’ve led a campaign for a number of years firstly opposing Metro North and now against Metrolink.
This is standard type of infrastructure in other European capital cities, and at this stage we really need to get on with building it. Hopefully, the planning application is submitted in the next few weeks and the project makes it to construction
Reminds me of that Irish tat shop (O’Carrolls?) trying to block the Luas cross-city as the construction might have affected their business for a bit.
These people are just scumbags, with no social belonging.