>Along with other public bodies, the NHS will be receiving guidelines after the UK Supreme Court unanimously ruled a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.
>”We’ve been speaking to the health service for an inordinately long time – we will now be asking them when they will be updating their advice,” Baroness Falkner said.
>Currently the NHS guidance says trans people should be accommodated according to the way they dress, their names and their pronouns. Under the ruling this would be scrapped.
>The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) says it is “working at pace” to provide an updated code of conduct for services, including the NHS and prisons.
>The ruling could have implications for spaces such as hospital wards, changing rooms and domestic refuges.
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>There is already Equality Act guidance which allows for women-only spaces, such as toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards in certain circumstances.
>But under the new ruling a person who was born male but identifies as a woman does not have a right to use a space or service designated as women only.
>Baroness Falkner said trans people should use their “power of advocacy” to ask for facilities including a “third space” for toilets.
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>Baroness Falkner said the next stage of litigation may well be tests of the efficacy of GRCs.
>Asked about whether she thought GRCs were now “worthless”, she replied: “We don’t believe they are. We think they’re quite important.”
>The equality watchdog says it expects its updated guidance to be in place by the summer.
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>Scottish Greens MSP Maggie Chapman, a prominent supporter of trans rights, told the BBC’s Good Morning Scotland programme the decision would “stoke the fires of the culture war” and trans people now feared they could lose access to facilities they’ve used, in some cases, for decades.
>She added that trans people had been attacked in recent years “just for being who they are” and she was “concerned” about the impact of the Supreme Court decision.
>Trans rights campaigners have said they will be examining the judgment closely to decide on their next steps.
>The UK government has welcomed the “clarity and confidence” for women and service providers brought by the judgement.
So now we’re telling trans people, who already struggle enough to get services that accommodate them, to ask for more services that accommodate them?
Where was that power of advocacy when they were completely blanked from any of these discussions?
The people who run this country are ghoulish.
The EHRC being stuffed full of insane reactionaries by the Tories is a problem. The UK is genuinely fucked imo and only a major rupture can repair the insanity that has infested our ruling class.
Obviously we can’t choose which laws we follow and which we don’t.
But at the same time, I think everyone should remember that it’s perfectly possible to accommodate trans people within the law – as I understand it, if NHS services feel sure that there’s a need they can offer a trans-specific bathroom or a non-single sex one for anyone who feels uncomfortable using a single sex space.
so it should , the law exists for a reason
I’d hate to be on NHS Fife’s legal team right now.
So they put the onus on trans people? So much for a caring society.
How will the terfs react when a trans guy, who isn’t perceived as transgender, is placed in the bed next to them in hospital. I somehow doubt they will be accepting.
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It’s so funny they don’t even mention trans-men. Bearded, masculine guys will now be required to use the womens toilets and womens changing rooms, be admitted to womens wards etc. etc.
Pretty sure that will make this crowd more upset than a trans-woman just using the bathroom to pee. But hey they didn’t think this through, whoda thunk it.
The conversation has been so muddied, with politicians, academics and the public using “sex” and “gender” interchangeably, that it has created a huge part of the problem.
You can maintain the integrity of single-sex spaces while respecting an individuals gender identity.
It’s unfortunate that so many trans activists argue against biological reality in these conversations, because if, as many individuals do, they accepted the reality of biology and the social construct that is gender identity as two separate things, we could get to a middle ground that accommodates everyone.
As it stands, too many people say “gender” when they mean “sex” and inverse too. Perhaps mucking up the language and making complications was always the goal, but that needs to be fixed widely before we can make any meaningful middle ground possible.
>”We’ve been speaking to the health service for an inordinately long time – we will now be asking them when they will be updating their advice,” Baroness Falkner said.
>Currently the NHS guidance says trans people should be accommodated according to the way they dress, their names and their pronouns. Under the ruling this would be scrapped.
Currently NHS Guidance follows the statutory code of practice for service providers written by the EHRC, guidance which requires organisations to treat trans people according to the gender they present.^1 The EHRC was committed to new guidance that removed that expectation, it was pushed to do so by the same Conservatives who installed Falkner as its head, but until now [the redrafted] statutory guidance has been in limbo because it violated the Equality Act.
IDK if the EHRC’s previously-illegal guidance can go ahead in light of yesterday’s ruling, but anyone half-competent will realise that organisations shouldn’t be implementing policies that contradict current statutory guidance at the behest of the organisation responsible for the statutory guidance.
^1 unless there is a fair and proportionate reason not to.
E: clarity
In 2018 if you said that the aim of anti-trans activists/GCs was to exclude trans people from public life, you were called an alarmist attacking people who were ‘just asking questions’. This is some dark vindication
Terfs can fuck off with this idea that trans people should be forced to carve out a third space for going to the toilet or changing or receiving medical treatment. Most cis people don’t have a problem with trans people. The terfs should be forced to carve out their own spaces instead. Male, female, and another for people who have a problem with minorities. Let it have the same stigma as ‘whites only’ spaces.
TERFs determined to make the miniscule number of trans peoples lives that much harder for zero fucking reason.
Presuming trans men will be forced to use women’s facilities because they are biologically women, wouldn’t any potential rapist just pretend to be trans in order to gain access?
What next?
Wearing of patches on clothing?
Knowing our weak Government, they’ll probably lap up anything put forward. So sick of it.
So if they’ve had bottom surgery then which bathroom do they use? The one that goes with their so called biological sex? Actually biological sex becomes irrelevant once they have transitioned they are fully physically and mentally the sex they wanted to become.
If we lived in a more accepting society this wouldn’t be such an issue. I have heard very concerning conversations about trans in the NHS from higher ups that frankly made me upset and this is going to add to the toxic culture.
It’s such a violation to make m to f use a male toilet, in that case then a biological female should try using the men’s and see how that feels. people are not accepting trans females as the real females they really are – the UK is going BACKWARDS! 🤮
We’ve been sharing “gendered” spaces with trans people since gender was invented and literally nothing’s happened, but these ghoulish fanny inspectors have convinced everyone that women’s locker rooms are under siege by hoards of so called men in dresses. There’s not a single argument against trans people that doesn’t boil down to “but *I’m* the centre of the universe and *I’m* uncomfortable” which is juvenile nonsense that shouldn’t be entertained. Absolutely demented we have to kowtow to these mold-addled genital inspectors who apparently love women so much they’ll tag-team with misogynists and bigots of all stripes just to stick the boot in to the wrong 1%.
It honestly baffles me how the Terfs genuinely think this is somehow a win for feminism and women’s rights, when this is the most patriarchal shit i’ve ever seen.
All of this, attacking such a minority of the population to distract and divide from the real issues happening in the world
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I’m ok with this
I hate it here
>Along with other public bodies, the NHS will be receiving guidelines after the UK Supreme Court unanimously ruled a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.
>”We’ve been speaking to the health service for an inordinately long time – we will now be asking them when they will be updating their advice,” Baroness Falkner said.
>Currently the NHS guidance says trans people should be accommodated according to the way they dress, their names and their pronouns. Under the ruling this would be scrapped.
>The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) says it is “working at pace” to provide an updated code of conduct for services, including the NHS and prisons.
>The ruling could have implications for spaces such as hospital wards, changing rooms and domestic refuges.
…
>There is already Equality Act guidance which allows for women-only spaces, such as toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards in certain circumstances.
>But under the new ruling a person who was born male but identifies as a woman does not have a right to use a space or service designated as women only.
>Baroness Falkner said trans people should use their “power of advocacy” to ask for facilities including a “third space” for toilets.
…
>Baroness Falkner said the next stage of litigation may well be tests of the efficacy of GRCs.
>Asked about whether she thought GRCs were now “worthless”, she replied: “We don’t believe they are. We think they’re quite important.”
>The equality watchdog says it expects its updated guidance to be in place by the summer.
…
>Scottish Greens MSP Maggie Chapman, a prominent supporter of trans rights, told the BBC’s Good Morning Scotland programme the decision would “stoke the fires of the culture war” and trans people now feared they could lose access to facilities they’ve used, in some cases, for decades.
>She added that trans people had been attacked in recent years “just for being who they are” and she was “concerned” about the impact of the Supreme Court decision.
>Trans rights campaigners have said they will be examining the judgment closely to decide on their next steps.
>The UK government has welcomed the “clarity and confidence” for women and service providers brought by the judgement.
So now we’re telling trans people, who already struggle enough to get services that accommodate them, to ask for more services that accommodate them?
Where was that power of advocacy when they were completely blanked from any of these discussions?
The people who run this country are ghoulish.
The EHRC being stuffed full of insane reactionaries by the Tories is a problem. The UK is genuinely fucked imo and only a major rupture can repair the insanity that has infested our ruling class.
Obviously we can’t choose which laws we follow and which we don’t.
But at the same time, I think everyone should remember that it’s perfectly possible to accommodate trans people within the law – as I understand it, if NHS services feel sure that there’s a need they can offer a trans-specific bathroom or a non-single sex one for anyone who feels uncomfortable using a single sex space.
so it should , the law exists for a reason
I’d hate to be on NHS Fife’s legal team right now.
So they put the onus on trans people? So much for a caring society.
How will the terfs react when a trans guy, who isn’t perceived as transgender, is placed in the bed next to them in hospital. I somehow doubt they will be accepting.
Edit
I’m not accepting chat requests. If you’ve got something to say, be brave and say it in the open
Big wins for people like this
https://preview.redd.it/732ke0em1eve1.jpeg?width=3015&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ddf958c4bef13b3e944ad9228c8380eb2d8ea66
They can fuck off. Non compliance with this cruelty is the only step forward
As many others have stated, the reality is that trans people do exist and no law is going to change that…
https://preview.redd.it/3mamr3iv1eve1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba6c073b5e4ca129516df070e2b0d758babb1da1
It’s so funny they don’t even mention trans-men. Bearded, masculine guys will now be required to use the womens toilets and womens changing rooms, be admitted to womens wards etc. etc.
Pretty sure that will make this crowd more upset than a trans-woman just using the bathroom to pee. But hey they didn’t think this through, whoda thunk it.
The conversation has been so muddied, with politicians, academics and the public using “sex” and “gender” interchangeably, that it has created a huge part of the problem.
You can maintain the integrity of single-sex spaces while respecting an individuals gender identity.
It’s unfortunate that so many trans activists argue against biological reality in these conversations, because if, as many individuals do, they accepted the reality of biology and the social construct that is gender identity as two separate things, we could get to a middle ground that accommodates everyone.
As it stands, too many people say “gender” when they mean “sex” and inverse too. Perhaps mucking up the language and making complications was always the goal, but that needs to be fixed widely before we can make any meaningful middle ground possible.
>”We’ve been speaking to the health service for an inordinately long time – we will now be asking them when they will be updating their advice,” Baroness Falkner said.
>Currently the NHS guidance says trans people should be accommodated according to the way they dress, their names and their pronouns. Under the ruling this would be scrapped.
Currently NHS Guidance follows the statutory code of practice for service providers written by the EHRC, guidance which requires organisations to treat trans people according to the gender they present.^1 The EHRC was committed to new guidance that removed that expectation, it was pushed to do so by the same Conservatives who installed Falkner as its head, but until now [the redrafted] statutory guidance has been in limbo because it violated the Equality Act.
IDK if the EHRC’s previously-illegal guidance can go ahead in light of yesterday’s ruling, but anyone half-competent will realise that organisations shouldn’t be implementing policies that contradict current statutory guidance at the behest of the organisation responsible for the statutory guidance.
^1 unless there is a fair and proportionate reason not to.
E: clarity
In 2018 if you said that the aim of anti-trans activists/GCs was to exclude trans people from public life, you were called an alarmist attacking people who were ‘just asking questions’. This is some dark vindication
Terfs can fuck off with this idea that trans people should be forced to carve out a third space for going to the toilet or changing or receiving medical treatment. Most cis people don’t have a problem with trans people. The terfs should be forced to carve out their own spaces instead. Male, female, and another for people who have a problem with minorities. Let it have the same stigma as ‘whites only’ spaces.
https://preview.redd.it/ycdehko58eve1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f1169b7effe214ebf7146d84f32b705d491e234
You people are senseless.
TERFs determined to make the miniscule number of trans peoples lives that much harder for zero fucking reason.
Presuming trans men will be forced to use women’s facilities because they are biologically women, wouldn’t any potential rapist just pretend to be trans in order to gain access?
What next?
Wearing of patches on clothing?
Knowing our weak Government, they’ll probably lap up anything put forward. So sick of it.
So if they’ve had bottom surgery then which bathroom do they use? The one that goes with their so called biological sex? Actually biological sex becomes irrelevant once they have transitioned they are fully physically and mentally the sex they wanted to become.
If we lived in a more accepting society this wouldn’t be such an issue. I have heard very concerning conversations about trans in the NHS from higher ups that frankly made me upset and this is going to add to the toxic culture.
It’s such a violation to make m to f use a male toilet, in that case then a biological female should try using the men’s and see how that feels. people are not accepting trans females as the real females they really are – the UK is going BACKWARDS! 🤮
We’ve been sharing “gendered” spaces with trans people since gender was invented and literally nothing’s happened, but these ghoulish fanny inspectors have convinced everyone that women’s locker rooms are under siege by hoards of so called men in dresses. There’s not a single argument against trans people that doesn’t boil down to “but *I’m* the centre of the universe and *I’m* uncomfortable” which is juvenile nonsense that shouldn’t be entertained. Absolutely demented we have to kowtow to these mold-addled genital inspectors who apparently love women so much they’ll tag-team with misogynists and bigots of all stripes just to stick the boot in to the wrong 1%.
It honestly baffles me how the Terfs genuinely think this is somehow a win for feminism and women’s rights, when this is the most patriarchal shit i’ve ever seen.
All of this, attacking such a minority of the population to distract and divide from the real issues happening in the world
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