German government stops Eurofighter exports to Turkey

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/ruestung-bundesregierung-stoppt-eurofighter-export-an-die-tuerkei/100122181.html

by CreepyKraken

31 comments

  1. Translation:

    Berlin, Istanbul. The governing red-green coalition in Germany is blocking the delivery of around three dozen Eurofighter combat jets to Turkey. Handelsblatt learned this from multiple sources familiar with the confidential internal government discussions.

    A key reason cited within German government circles for denying the export license is the arrest of Turkish opposition leader Ekrem İmamoğlu. The political rival of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is facing corruption charges. However, the Turkish opposition claims it is a political conspiracy.

    There is sharp criticism of Erdoğan from the German government camp, with some referring to it as an “attack on Turkish democracy.” Therefore, it is deemed the right decision to halt the arms deal, sources say.

  2. Yeah, allowing the sell right now that it was the UK or anyone else would be a political suicide anyway even for Erdogan honestly.

    Seems like BAE and Airbus eurofighter line will be even more at risk of closing since at least for BAE, the UK government hoped that export would do the trick.

  3. As far as I understand this is the outgoing government.

    So it might be unclear if it will hold?

  4. If only we were as fast and decisive when it comes to American dictators

  5. Just to give a little bit of background, so people have an idea why this matters in Germany:

    We have about 2,5 Millionen citizens in Germany, that are considered Turkish or having Turkish roots.

    Of those 2,5 Millionen people, approx 1,4 Millionen are considered immigrants, approx 1,1 Million are descendants of a Turkish immigrant. [source](https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Population/Migration-Integration/Tables/immigrant-history-selected-countries.html)

    Thus they are a considerable large part of our population, almost 600k more than the next biggest group who are from Poland. Especially the second generation descendants are well integrated and many have passports for both countries.

  6. Honestly I see it as right decision. Turkey is a doctatorship country in disguise.

  8. Curious. While I’m happy that the government sees the results of their oppressive behaviour even on international relations, this puts our defense in a strain which is concerning for me as a soldier. Let us see what Erdo will do. Will he finally release Imamoglu or will he knock on good ol’ uncle Trump’s door for F-15EXs? Time will tell.

  9. Kurdish opposition leader gets imprisoned for a decade for no reason. Turkey supports ISIS and invades Syria and bombes AANES 24/7, supports Azerbaijans war against Armenia: Europe keeps selling every weapon, tank and jet they can produce.

    Kemalist opposition leader gets imprisoned: Suddenly Germany stops exports.

    Funny how that works.

  11. EU countries should take more seriously our obligations to Greece when engaging in relations with Turkey.

  12. Turkey blackmailed us when it came to the accession of Sweden into NATO, now it‘s our turn do make demands

  15. While this is bad news for the UK initially, as it would be helping to build them, it is great news for GCAP as no one will touch FCAS with a bargepole.

  16. The EU should support in a big way the reestablishment of democracy in Turkey. It would be in our own self-interest to do so, a democratic Turkey allied with the EU.

  17. This sub when Turkey protecting europe:
    Omg we so lucky, turkey very important power

    This sub any other time:
    Reeee it isnt democracy even though the governening party basically lost all except the presidential elections

    Europeans are the most illitirate morons

    Germany is supporting a genocide, and dares to wag the finger at turkey, what a joke

  21. It’s not as bad or good as it sounds.

    European defence contractors are turning down orders due to the fact it’s very hard to find engineers enough and that the demands for european arms is way bigger than the possibility to supply. If Turkey however wisch to get those enough, they know what they can do. Not arrest that many political opponennts or journalists from both Turkey and abroad.

  23. An EU member state acting in accordance with basic human rights and dignity?! Times really are changing

  25. Those can be used in a democratic goverment to prevent Tsars invasions.

  26. and who would those euro fighters presumably be used against?

    there is only one target for the Turkish airforce, and that’s an EU country.

    for an EU country to even consider selling to Turkey weapons like fighter jets is treacherous.

  27. Send them to Ukraine! Don’t have to beg and plead to trump to send f16’s.

  31. The problem here is it was the UK selling to Turkey not Germany. If Germany dont approve the licenses for their EF workshare it is a massive export loss for the UK.

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