And before the war, all of what comprised said “us” was fighting like crazy all the time. He might’ve been right about US policies benefiting primarily the US, but it was actually worse before the war as there was barely any cooperation. France surrendered in same war to a European power within days. Not like before US influence it was all harmonious.
“January 4” written by an American. Pretty much any European would have written “4 January”.
He predicted the future..and now we are living in it
They make Europe a protectorate then blame Europe for taking advantage of them.
He was also right about British membership in EEC……..
It’s always good to know your history and listen to warnings. The world can, and is, changing fast.
America: From the land of the free and home of the brave to the land of the dumbs and home of the cunts.
Honestly, I really don’t like seeing things as domination/being dominated only. Maybe I’m wrong, but wasn’t it cooperation too ?
Of course, there’s no doubt it’s Trump’s view, and I think we shouldn’t let the US trample on us.
LBJ also reminded him of the 70k American graves on French soil, to which he had no response but to agree.
De Gaulle was never pro-europe, only pro-france.
What he didn’t foresee, however, was that the dominant power would become furious that we dared to submit to its protectorate, and then freak out and tell us to take care of ourselves.
Yeah, but don’t forget that De Gaulle was against and blocked all attempts at further European political integration during his administration, just look at the Luxembourg Compromise (which De Gaulle requested) with the introduction of the veto power and unanimous decision in the Council, which stalled the EEC decision making for years.
I wouldn’t say anything was imposed. The outcome was mutually beneficial and allowed Europe to disarm, build welfare states and so on.
Trump has changed that though. America will lose their power and Europe our peace dividend.
He was not wrong, but it’s far more complex than this. Europe enjoyed the uprights of being sheltered by the american army and our economies grew incredibly until the first oil shock. Europe had simply abandoned its global power position and decided to follow the prosperity route, mantaining alive the illusion of nations; it can work as long as the US is on our side and they’re actually the global leader, but the decrease of american presence around the globe (due shale oil and gas being found in the US’ territory) and the economical surge of China have deeply changed the world’s order.
De Gaulle is and was part of the main problem (he was against the federation): european leaders not thinking globally
And at the same time he didn’t want to have a European defence alliance, without the US…
“Europe is USA puppet” was element Russian propaganda for literally decades. Just a curious fact.
Europeans are willing victims.
De Gaulle in Indochina War (Vietnam) to America – please nuke Dien Bien Phu to save us, or at least let us keep Algeria.
America – No.
‘EU is relying on US too much’ is something USA, EU, Russia and China all can agree on.
It’s ridiculous it took trump to make everyone on Reddit suddenly realise that.
A brief history of why Europe has been dependent on U.S. defense and U.S. made weaponry until the present day, according to answers by Copilot:
* The U.S. established NATO in 1949, ensuring European security under American leadership. This reinforced European dependence on U.S. military capabilities while discouraging independent European defense initiatives, and allowed American defense companies to shape procurement decisions and maintain dominance in the global arms market. Furthermore, NATO’s interoperability requirements encourage member states to adopt U.S. military technology, ensuring continued demand for American defense products
* NATO ensures that the U.S. remains deeply involved in European security, allowing Washington to influence military strategies and maintain strong defense cooperation with European allies, and by reinforcing American dominance in military planning and procurement favoring American suppliers over European alternatives. Through programs like the Mutual Defense Assistance Act, the U.S. provided military aid to European allies, further reinforcing dependence on American-made weapons.
* Suez Crisis Fallout: the U.S. opposed the British-French-Israeli intervention in Egypt, cutting off financial support to Britain and pressuring France to withdraw. This marked a shift in U.S. policy, reinforcing American dominance in Western security affairs while discouraging independent European military actions. This led to Charles de Gaulle’s decision to develop an independent nuclear deterrent and withdraw France from NATO’s integrated military command in 1966. The French-Algerian War strained France’s relationship with NATO, as the U.S. prioritized Cold War containment over supporting France’s colonial conflict. This further pushed France toward military independence and European defense initiatives. In response to these events, the U.S. reinforced NATO as the primary security framework for Europe, discouraging separate European defense structures that could challenge American leadership
* The U.S. has expressed concerns about efforts to create a more autonomous European defense structure, such as the EU’s Common Security and Defense Policy (CSDP) and the Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO). Washington has feared that these initiatives could duplicate NATO’s efforts and weaken transatlantic security coordination.
* With the collapse of the Soviet Union, European governments believed that the threat of large-scale war had diminished. This led to a shift in priorities, with defense spending redirected toward social programs and economic development.
* Unlike the U.S., Europe lacked a unified defense industry, making large-scale military investments less efficient. Countries often struggled to coordinate defense procurement and research efforts.
This is what lead us to where we are today. Going forward we will see a much different dynamic.
Can we stop reposting this nationalist who tanked the Treaty of Paris for one second?
There has to be someone else’s quote worth listening to that doesn’t belong to DeGaulle.
So why would America leaving nato be a bad thing then? It would free you to become self sufficient and not rely on a bigger power
Charles de Gaulle was a great man but also a bit of a PoS that hated when other people had the spotlight. He came to Canada after the war and tried agitating separatism in Quebec against the rest of us because the Quebec reception went to his head and he got the thought he could take up a new cause. Again, great man, but not the type to be able to step back, major hero complex and quick to undermine people that should be his colleagues and partners.
I mean, we’ve had it pretty good under their protection and dominance.
Now they take their protection away, completely change their international approaches and we are looking for ways to leave their dominance.
Whatever exactly DeGaulle warned us from is not what is happeneing today, therefore the title is wrong.
And then the tankies ran with “USA bad, therefore russia good”. The problems that grew from this seed kills people in Ukraine today in great numbers. putins anti-Western propaganda was carried by those fascists. A pro-russian climate spread by them made putin’s imperialism possible. With their cover, he could keep bombing and killing for all those decades.
It’s funny because when I suggested the same a few years ago this was admonished as a far right talking point. How the turntables have turned…
In fairness, De Gaulle’s preference is probably that it become a French protectorate. Realistically, who gets to take leadership in Europe when Americans are out of the picture?
And so France still carries the Gaullist torch. They’ll make Europe strong, I know it.
Suspicious quote from the book of Alain Peyrefitte.
Lol there is a shadow govt and it controls both the USA and Europe. I’m from US and majority know and are waking up to the realization our govt is out of control and we have no say in anything they do.
Russian bot dug this up
After being liberated twice by America.
Ah yes, because France had zero global pursuits previously.
The French were just annoyed they weren’t the most important.
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And before the war, all of what comprised said “us” was fighting like crazy all the time. He might’ve been right about US policies benefiting primarily the US, but it was actually worse before the war as there was barely any cooperation. France surrendered in same war to a European power within days. Not like before US influence it was all harmonious.
“January 4” written by an American. Pretty much any European would have written “4 January”.
He predicted the future..and now we are living in it
They make Europe a protectorate then blame Europe for taking advantage of them.
He was also right about British membership in EEC……..
It’s always good to know your history and listen to warnings. The world can, and is, changing fast.
America: From the land of the free and home of the brave to the land of the dumbs and home of the cunts.
Honestly, I really don’t like seeing things as domination/being dominated only. Maybe I’m wrong, but wasn’t it cooperation too ?
Of course, there’s no doubt it’s Trump’s view, and I think we shouldn’t let the US trample on us.
LBJ also reminded him of the 70k American graves on French soil, to which he had no response but to agree.
De Gaulle was never pro-europe, only pro-france.
What he didn’t foresee, however, was that the dominant power would become furious that we dared to submit to its protectorate, and then freak out and tell us to take care of ourselves.
Yeah, but don’t forget that De Gaulle was against and blocked all attempts at further European political integration during his administration, just look at the Luxembourg Compromise (which De Gaulle requested) with the introduction of the veto power and unanimous decision in the Council, which stalled the EEC decision making for years.
I wouldn’t say anything was imposed. The outcome was mutually beneficial and allowed Europe to disarm, build welfare states and so on.
Trump has changed that though. America will lose their power and Europe our peace dividend.
He was not wrong, but it’s far more complex than this. Europe enjoyed the uprights of being sheltered by the american army and our economies grew incredibly until the first oil shock. Europe had simply abandoned its global power position and decided to follow the prosperity route, mantaining alive the illusion of nations; it can work as long as the US is on our side and they’re actually the global leader, but the decrease of american presence around the globe (due shale oil and gas being found in the US’ territory) and the economical surge of China have deeply changed the world’s order.
De Gaulle is and was part of the main problem (he was against the federation): european leaders not thinking globally
And at the same time he didn’t want to have a European defence alliance, without the US…
“Europe is USA puppet” was element Russian propaganda for literally decades. Just a curious fact.
Europeans are willing victims.
De Gaulle in Indochina War (Vietnam) to America – please nuke Dien Bien Phu to save us, or at least let us keep Algeria.
America – No.
‘EU is relying on US too much’ is something USA, EU, Russia and China all can agree on.
It’s ridiculous it took trump to make everyone on Reddit suddenly realise that.
A brief history of why Europe has been dependent on U.S. defense and U.S. made weaponry until the present day, according to answers by Copilot:
* The U.S. established NATO in 1949, ensuring European security under American leadership. This reinforced European dependence on U.S. military capabilities while discouraging independent European defense initiatives, and allowed American defense companies to shape procurement decisions and maintain dominance in the global arms market. Furthermore, NATO’s interoperability requirements encourage member states to adopt U.S. military technology, ensuring continued demand for American defense products
* NATO ensures that the U.S. remains deeply involved in European security, allowing Washington to influence military strategies and maintain strong defense cooperation with European allies, and by reinforcing American dominance in military planning and procurement favoring American suppliers over European alternatives. Through programs like the Mutual Defense Assistance Act, the U.S. provided military aid to European allies, further reinforcing dependence on American-made weapons.
* Suez Crisis Fallout: the U.S. opposed the British-French-Israeli intervention in Egypt, cutting off financial support to Britain and pressuring France to withdraw. This marked a shift in U.S. policy, reinforcing American dominance in Western security affairs while discouraging independent European military actions. This led to Charles de Gaulle’s decision to develop an independent nuclear deterrent and withdraw France from NATO’s integrated military command in 1966. The French-Algerian War strained France’s relationship with NATO, as the U.S. prioritized Cold War containment over supporting France’s colonial conflict. This further pushed France toward military independence and European defense initiatives. In response to these events, the U.S. reinforced NATO as the primary security framework for Europe, discouraging separate European defense structures that could challenge American leadership
* The U.S. has expressed concerns about efforts to create a more autonomous European defense structure, such as the EU’s Common Security and Defense Policy (CSDP) and the Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO). Washington has feared that these initiatives could duplicate NATO’s efforts and weaken transatlantic security coordination.
* With the collapse of the Soviet Union, European governments believed that the threat of large-scale war had diminished. This led to a shift in priorities, with defense spending redirected toward social programs and economic development.
* Unlike the U.S., Europe lacked a unified defense industry, making large-scale military investments less efficient. Countries often struggled to coordinate defense procurement and research efforts.
This is what lead us to where we are today. Going forward we will see a much different dynamic.
Can we stop reposting this nationalist who tanked the Treaty of Paris for one second?
There has to be someone else’s quote worth listening to that doesn’t belong to DeGaulle.
So why would America leaving nato be a bad thing then? It would free you to become self sufficient and not rely on a bigger power
Charles de Gaulle was a great man but also a bit of a PoS that hated when other people had the spotlight. He came to Canada after the war and tried agitating separatism in Quebec against the rest of us because the Quebec reception went to his head and he got the thought he could take up a new cause. Again, great man, but not the type to be able to step back, major hero complex and quick to undermine people that should be his colleagues and partners.
I mean, we’ve had it pretty good under their protection and dominance.
Now they take their protection away, completely change their international approaches and we are looking for ways to leave their dominance.
Whatever exactly DeGaulle warned us from is not what is happeneing today, therefore the title is wrong.
And then the tankies ran with “USA bad, therefore russia good”. The problems that grew from this seed kills people in Ukraine today in great numbers. putins anti-Western propaganda was carried by those fascists. A pro-russian climate spread by them made putin’s imperialism possible. With their cover, he could keep bombing and killing for all those decades.
It’s funny because when I suggested the same a few years ago this was admonished as a far right talking point. How the turntables have turned…
In fairness, De Gaulle’s preference is probably that it become a French protectorate. Realistically, who gets to take leadership in Europe when Americans are out of the picture?
And so France still carries the Gaullist torch. They’ll make Europe strong, I know it.
Suspicious quote from the book of Alain Peyrefitte.
Lol there is a shadow govt and it controls both the USA and Europe. I’m from US and majority know and are waking up to the realization our govt is out of control and we have no say in anything they do.
Russian bot dug this up
After being liberated twice by America.
Ah yes, because France had zero global pursuits previously.
The French were just annoyed they weren’t the most important.
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