Trans women should use toilets based on biological sex, Phillipson says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y42zzwylvo

by Aggressive_Plates

20 comments

  1. It’s simple.

    All women just need to carry their birth certificate with them at all times, ideally, also a civil servant to verify it’s legit so they can use a toilet.

  2. This whole toilet fiasco really makes me wonder what the fuck is wrong with the population at large.

    I keep hearing talk about “third spaces” and “protections” from whatever… guess what, people with disabilities like myself have been happily co-existing using the same fucking unisex toilets (you know, the disabled ones) for decades and you don’t hear us bitching about there not being a male, female, and trans specific disabled facility available. The disability community had to fight long and hard just to have toilets made available so that we could have our needs met and so we could actually have a place to go.

    You know whats especially ironic? The accessibility community suffer from the same kinds of discrimination and being shit on from above that the LGBT community do from both the public and government. The public hate the fact we sometimes require assistance and accommodations (like in the workplace), and boy do employers love to discriminate. The government love to shit on us regarding this as well, so we totally understand the plight that the trans community are currently going through.

    So how about we quit bitching about bodily functions because its not a fucking issue. If the disability community can co-exist happily and use the same damn toilets for decades out of necessity, then why does it matter who uses what toilet? You don’t see us pulling each other out of wheelchairs in rebellion.

  3. They’ll have to arrest every last trans person in the country because we aren’t going to out ourselves for other people’s comfort

  4. I’m a trans woman, i go into the mens toilets, i am now liable to be kicked out because all the men in there perceive me as a cis woman using the men’s, which isn’t allowed 😐

    inb4, “just go into these secluded spaces of men as a woman, and tell them you’re a minority that they may both hate and know that society will do little to protect, this will have no negative consequences and is not dangerous at all”

    Even worse for a trans guy, who instead of being seen as some weird woman walking into the mens, by complying with the advice here *is now being seen as a sex predator* , and the supreme court says he can now be banned from all toilets as a result, which causes even more problems.

    and it’s not like avoiding all toilets is viable because not only do not all jobs have third spaces, it’s also mandatorily outing you even if they do have them, which is humiliating and basically gives employers a free card to efficiently fire all their trans employees by demanding they humiliate themselves working for them.

  5. I don’t really know why Labour bothered winning the election

  6. Great British Energy may have been a bit of a letdown, but at least we have a Great British Bathroom Bill (of sorts)!

    Very glad that Labour were just pretending to be socially conservative in the run-up to the election and are now being super progressive in power. Long live Starmerism.

  8. The undertone/implication that trans women are innately threats to cis women and are just rape bombs waiting to blow up really sickens me to see entertained by our “left wing” party.

  9. I’m so tired of reading this headline. I feel for trans people, but they make up a tiny, tiny percentage of the population. I’m not a transphobe, but the country/ world is facing bigger issues than this.

  10. Restrictions on toilet access are an obvious attempt to force trans people out of public life. 

    We know this, because it’s exactly what used to happen to women, you historically illiterate fuckwits. 

  11. Personally as someone who uses the gents and hates urinals I hope in the long run we swap bathrooms to being single rooms each with a loo and sink that are not gendered at all.

    Just a row of WC ‘rooms’ with a couple larger to accommodate disabilities or families.

    Beyond the trans issue (of which a small minority consider it an issue) I actually think a bigger issue is (usually) male parents who need to bring their children into the loos can be solved by this WC arrangement too.

  12. Not that I’m going to, but if I really wanted to assault a woman I don’t imagine a ladies sign would stop me.

  13. This whole thing is mental. I’m willing to bet that the majority or people who subscribe to the trans-fear or trans-rage or whatever they’re afflicted with, whenever they hear “trans person” they mentally see some hulking burly person with hairy arms and facial hair in a badly fitting frock, it’s the image that the talking heads *want* them to see. But at the same time these people will have seen trans-men and trans-women in their daily lives that they have no idea are trans and have no issue with (or even, don’t know that they’re supposed to have an issue with them)

    I feel really sorry for all the people who thought they found an out for their dysphoria, only to become the target of a nationwide and very loud hate campaign.

  14. Still commenting on the important issues.

    Never voting Labour again.

  15. as a man, I couldn’t give a single shit if a biologically female but OBVIOUSLY male-presenting person came out the men’s toilets before me, or was using the same changing room as me

    maybe there are different views in relation to extremely niche/sensitive spaces like elite sports or rape crisis centres.. but re toilets/changing rooms, who cares?

  16. It’s been drummed into us by advocates for years that gender and sex are different things. Now that the supreme court accepts this point that sex and gender are different, the same people are complaining.

    It seems really regressive and backwords to discriminate based on gender. But sure I can understand that females might want to discriminate based on sex for sports, etc.

  17. I was in the men’s toilet at Victoria station the other day. A female-presenting person wandered in, and I had a moment of inner-monologue where I wondered if she was in the right place/should I tell her? There must have been more than 20 men in there, many using the urinals. It must’ve taken her almost 20 seconds to realise where she was at which point she looked horrified and left.

    But nobody batted an eyelid at her being there.

  18. Is there any evidence at all that the presence of trans women in any space increases the risk for cis women in that space?

  19. You know what’s ironic? This kind of furore over who uses what loos makes me, as a cis woman, *less* likely to speak up if someone actually is acting creepy in the loo.

    I don’t give a shit if a trans woman uses the loo next to me. To be honest, even if a cis man came in and used it I likely wouldn’t really care so long as he just did his business and left, I’d assume he had a good reason like the gents were out of use and he was desperate or something. In general, I haven’t encountered toilet creepers of any sex or gender.

    But in the current climate, if a trans woman or a masculine cis woman or whoever else *was* acting creepy or shifty, I would feel a great deal of anxiety in reporting it because I wouldn’t want to be mistaken for a transphobic asshole making a fuss over an innocent person just using the toilet. I’m more likely to stay quiet, because I worry that even if my concern is valid, it won’t be viewed that way. If we were all chill and just let people use the toilet they feel is best for them to use, I’d feel much more comfortable saying something.

  20. I’m confused. So have there been any instances of someone who has had gender reassignment actually causing an issue in a woman’s toilet? By that same notion, have there been any issues the other way around? Why are people so bothered about everyone else’s bits? Like can we worry about other stuff for a bit? Like Ukraine? Or what we’re gonna do about all the micro plastics in everything?

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