Judgement isn’t on the CoS website yet, but wise of the council to not waste money defending this.
I don’t know what they were thinking ignoring the regulations on schools having to provide single sex toilets.
Lots more of this to come.
Hopefully NHS Fife is as wise.
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I’m more surprised a school had gender neutral toilets in the first place…
“Ms Walker said all schools in Scotland would now have to “urgently review” whether half of their toilets are for boys and half for girls, as is required by the School Premises (General Requirements and Standards) (Scotland) Regulations 1967, external.”
Wonder how this will affect disabled toilets as they are usually unisex?
> The local authority had installed only gender neutral toilets at the replacement Earlston primary school, which recently opened.
Right… So…
> the School Premises (General Requirements and Standards) (Scotland) Regulations 1967
These regulations were in the process of being updated, but that process was derailed by things like the COVID outbreak, and have not yet been updated, and as such the 1967 regulations are still in force in their unaltered form.
So the local authority, has opened a school, which _does not conform to the regulations for school premises_.
Now, I work in local government, and know how badly they can bugger up procurement at times, but this is ridiculous. It’s like one of the most basic things – to make sure that stuff that is procured is actually legal.
Gender neutral toilets were originally a very effective way to combat bullying. Now they have been caught up in the trans panic.
If we end up going backwards to widespread singe sex toilets – we are likely to see an increase in bullying and bad behaviour.
A chance of child endangerment just to prove how woke you are is ridiculous.
“Parents Sean Stratford and Leigh Hurley complained to the council about the policy at the school their son had previously attended, but it was rejected. ”
So they copmplained despite their son not actually being at the school ??? or time has passed since he was there and the complaint has been revisited as amatter of course
Sounds a bit bizarre and bad faith if the complaint was made when their son was not attending. Or they changed his school over the issue?
This nonsense proves that judges are not impartial, but political.
These are the bathrooms at my old school. Please someone explain to me what difference these being gender neutral or not would make? It’s one feckin room regardless. This whole thing is so pointless lol
Disabled toilets have been gender neutral the entire time and there was no complaints, plenty of gender neutral bathrooms in smaller businesses. It’s almost as if this was never a problem until the news started telling people to be outraged over it.
I really feel like we are going back in time, at college the toilets where unisex no problems, what is the big issue here?
A few people here need to watch Ally MacBeal
Trans panic nonsense. Its got to stop. Its like section 28 all over again – a bigoted minority forcing their ideals on the rest of us.
We’re descending into fascism all over the place and folk are up in arms about fucking toilets. I despair….
Personally I think Sweden has it correct: each toilet has dedicated amenities and lockable doors. Nothing worse than the stalls with no sinks commonly used in the UK.
Edit: And in the UK, the doors always open inwards so that I have to push up against the dirty toilet to be able to get out? And knowing that the last person who touched the lock inside the stall had not washed their hands because there’s no sink 🤮
When I was an undergrad student, some of the colleges were women only and originally men were barred from the premises.
When they relaxed that, they made the “public” toilets unisex. In the 80s.
Can I get a T shirt that says “I peed in the unisex at Newnham and lived” ?
Can we, as a society, just stop with the communal toilet experience? We can all have single bathrooms and not have to share our ablutions with a party. Single unisex toilets would eliminate all of this issue. Maybe a communal sink outside of the bathrooms would be fine, but seriously stop with the group-pooping!
Genuinely exhausted with this shit.
As I have stated before, numerous times on this sub, gender neutral, self enclosed WC cubicles are easiest and best way forwards for any public building. After all, in public buildings we are used to it in accessible WC’s and no one, not anyone, has ever complained about them being used by Transgender people – not even the bigots – and they have been in public use for decades. And we are all used to them at home where anyone can access them. So they are familiar. Also on public transport like trains and coaches, and on planes – this is familiar to us all.
To expand; the current building regulations in Scotland do allow self enclosed cubicles to be fitted in a public building. These have to contain, at a minimum, a lockable door, a sink, a method of drying ones’ hands. I also prefer to include in the design intent spec a task light (this could be on a PIR) a mirror and a bin all variable on budget and site specific requirements / constraints. My preference is floor to ceiling doors, but have worked on public buildings where shorter doors were specified.
Many people are confused and think gender neutral toilets are a series of WC cubicles with a dark corridor accessing a shared sink space. This is a remnant of early 90’s / 00’s nightclubs and would not really be proposed today in a school environment.
Edit; the recent Supreme Court case was argued around Trans-women, yet as many commentators on here pointed out, it did not hear from the Trans community, nor did not take cognisance of the existence of Trans-men. If we understand the bigots correctly, there will need to be checks and inspections in place to determine what toilets people can use. Therefore, having gender neutral WC’s that are self-enclosed will completely negate these requirements. It is a win for all, with zero downsides.
You see this is part of the problem, we’re starting to call the venerable W.C. a room for resting in
Gendered toilets are an invention of the toilet industry to sell twice as many bathrooms /s
At this point I can only joke or I might self combust.
Wait till they hear about the toilets on coaches and airplanes someone’s gonna lose their poop 💩 😂
About time, I say. The only objection I heard was that men’s toilets stink as a consequence of their inability to not spray urine everywhere, but I was educated by those who have had to clean toilets in restaurants etc who assure me that women’s toilets are *far* more grotesque than that.
I don’t mean to sound like a complete twat, but I’m sure I’ll manage somehow. Sorry in advance.
I thought that’s how they did it anyway..? Must have changed a lot by time this is weird for folks. Seems fairly reasonable to me, especially in school.
Maybe I’m over the hill? How is this a bad thing? Many of you folks appear to disagree, and I’m left scratching my head a bit.
One argument I see often is ‘the trans population is such a small percentage, why do you care so much?’ Surely, if you support this argument, then you should support not up-ending long-held social conventions such as male and female bathrooms, no? Otherwise we are putting too much effort into thinking about this, which is apparently bad.
I love gender neutral bathrooms. They are far more private than gender specific bathrooms. I don’t like anyone hearing me doing my business, male or female. In Canada we are moving towards this in restaurants and I think it’s great. Ceiling to floor walls and doors. Unfortunately here we don’t have sinks in the stalls which would be even better! Hopefully it becomes this way everywhere
I think I speak for most people in reality (as opposed to Reddit), when I say I would prefer to have just lived in the pre-2015 world where “toilets” were just toilets, you had the gents and the ladies, and none of this was a subject of incessant and weird American-imported political warfare.
I’m confused, are many school toilets these days gender neutral? Like, a communal area with stalls, sinks, urinals, but for everyone? Surely not.
But if they had a bunch of individual gender neutral toilets, like how disabled toilets are, I wouldn’t complain. I didn’t shit once in my entire time at school because of those awful stalls.
I genuinely don’t know why so many folk of late seem to give this much o a fuck about what’s in someone’s knickers.
Surely the prevailing rule should be “don’t be a cunt”, regardless o race, religion, or breeks situation. It’s not that complex.
Sanity and Common Sense and no more Misogyny has returned to Scottish Schools.
All school facilities in UK should have always bee single sex, hopefully the far left nutters will stfu from here on.
This article is weird. It does not state that the parents had two other complaints; they complained their son was punished for deliberately and repeatedly misgendering other bairn’s, and they complained that children who identified as different genders were welcome to participate in the sports day.
Jeezo. These parents are horrific. Their bairn has no chance with bigots like these.
And here was me growing up in Norfolk in the 80s where we had a unisex toilet.
Unisex. That’s what we called it.
It wasn’t novel, it wasn’t controversial. It was just a toilet. Nobody thought anything more of it.
And that was at a primary school in England in the late 80s.
Yeah, thats what young girls need when experiencing their first period, ect is a bunch of imature boys hanging about.
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Common sense is makin a comeback.
Judgement isn’t on the CoS website yet, but wise of the council to not waste money defending this.
I don’t know what they were thinking ignoring the regulations on schools having to provide single sex toilets.
Lots more of this to come.
Hopefully NHS Fife is as wise.
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I’m more surprised a school had gender neutral toilets in the first place…
“Ms Walker said all schools in Scotland would now have to “urgently review” whether half of their toilets are for boys and half for girls, as is required by the School Premises (General Requirements and Standards) (Scotland) Regulations 1967, external.”
Wonder how this will affect disabled toilets as they are usually unisex?
> The local authority had installed only gender neutral toilets at the replacement Earlston primary school, which recently opened.
Right… So…
> the School Premises (General Requirements and Standards) (Scotland) Regulations 1967
These regulations were in the process of being updated, but that process was derailed by things like the COVID outbreak, and have not yet been updated, and as such the 1967 regulations are still in force in their unaltered form.
So the local authority, has opened a school, which _does not conform to the regulations for school premises_.
Now, I work in local government, and know how badly they can bugger up procurement at times, but this is ridiculous. It’s like one of the most basic things – to make sure that stuff that is procured is actually legal.
Gender neutral toilets were originally a very effective way to combat bullying. Now they have been caught up in the trans panic.
If we end up going backwards to widespread singe sex toilets – we are likely to see an increase in bullying and bad behaviour.
A chance of child endangerment just to prove how woke you are is ridiculous.
“Parents Sean Stratford and Leigh Hurley complained to the council about the policy at the school their son had previously attended, but it was rejected. ”
So they copmplained despite their son not actually being at the school ??? or time has passed since he was there and the complaint has been revisited as amatter of course
Sounds a bit bizarre and bad faith if the complaint was made when their son was not attending. Or they changed his school over the issue?
This nonsense proves that judges are not impartial, but political.
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These are the bathrooms at my old school. Please someone explain to me what difference these being gender neutral or not would make? It’s one feckin room regardless. This whole thing is so pointless lol
Disabled toilets have been gender neutral the entire time and there was no complaints, plenty of gender neutral bathrooms in smaller businesses. It’s almost as if this was never a problem until the news started telling people to be outraged over it.
I really feel like we are going back in time, at college the toilets where unisex no problems, what is the big issue here?
A few people here need to watch Ally MacBeal
Trans panic nonsense. Its got to stop. Its like section 28 all over again – a bigoted minority forcing their ideals on the rest of us.
We’re descending into fascism all over the place and folk are up in arms about fucking toilets. I despair….
Personally I think Sweden has it correct: each toilet has dedicated amenities and lockable doors. Nothing worse than the stalls with no sinks commonly used in the UK.
Edit: And in the UK, the doors always open inwards so that I have to push up against the dirty toilet to be able to get out? And knowing that the last person who touched the lock inside the stall had not washed their hands because there’s no sink 🤮
[Check this out!](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/96rwj2/almost_all_public_toilets_in_sweden_are_unisex/?rdt=43057)
When I was an undergrad student, some of the colleges were women only and originally men were barred from the premises.
When they relaxed that, they made the “public” toilets unisex. In the 80s.
Can I get a T shirt that says “I peed in the unisex at Newnham and lived” ?
Can we, as a society, just stop with the communal toilet experience? We can all have single bathrooms and not have to share our ablutions with a party. Single unisex toilets would eliminate all of this issue. Maybe a communal sink outside of the bathrooms would be fine, but seriously stop with the group-pooping!
Genuinely exhausted with this shit.
As I have stated before, numerous times on this sub, gender neutral, self enclosed WC cubicles are easiest and best way forwards for any public building. After all, in public buildings we are used to it in accessible WC’s and no one, not anyone, has ever complained about them being used by Transgender people – not even the bigots – and they have been in public use for decades. And we are all used to them at home where anyone can access them. So they are familiar. Also on public transport like trains and coaches, and on planes – this is familiar to us all.
To expand; the current building regulations in Scotland do allow self enclosed cubicles to be fitted in a public building. These have to contain, at a minimum, a lockable door, a sink, a method of drying ones’ hands. I also prefer to include in the design intent spec a task light (this could be on a PIR) a mirror and a bin all variable on budget and site specific requirements / constraints. My preference is floor to ceiling doors, but have worked on public buildings where shorter doors were specified.
Many people are confused and think gender neutral toilets are a series of WC cubicles with a dark corridor accessing a shared sink space. This is a remnant of early 90’s / 00’s nightclubs and would not really be proposed today in a school environment.
Edit; the recent Supreme Court case was argued around Trans-women, yet as many commentators on here pointed out, it did not hear from the Trans community, nor did not take cognisance of the existence of Trans-men. If we understand the bigots correctly, there will need to be checks and inspections in place to determine what toilets people can use. Therefore, having gender neutral WC’s that are self-enclosed will completely negate these requirements. It is a win for all, with zero downsides.
You see this is part of the problem, we’re starting to call the venerable W.C. a room for resting in
Gendered toilets are an invention of the toilet industry to sell twice as many bathrooms /s
At this point I can only joke or I might self combust.
Wait till they hear about the toilets on coaches and airplanes someone’s gonna lose their poop 💩 😂
About time, I say. The only objection I heard was that men’s toilets stink as a consequence of their inability to not spray urine everywhere, but I was educated by those who have had to clean toilets in restaurants etc who assure me that women’s toilets are *far* more grotesque than that.
I don’t mean to sound like a complete twat, but I’m sure I’ll manage somehow. Sorry in advance.
I thought that’s how they did it anyway..? Must have changed a lot by time this is weird for folks. Seems fairly reasonable to me, especially in school.
Maybe I’m over the hill? How is this a bad thing? Many of you folks appear to disagree, and I’m left scratching my head a bit.
One argument I see often is ‘the trans population is such a small percentage, why do you care so much?’ Surely, if you support this argument, then you should support not up-ending long-held social conventions such as male and female bathrooms, no? Otherwise we are putting too much effort into thinking about this, which is apparently bad.
I love gender neutral bathrooms. They are far more private than gender specific bathrooms. I don’t like anyone hearing me doing my business, male or female. In Canada we are moving towards this in restaurants and I think it’s great. Ceiling to floor walls and doors. Unfortunately here we don’t have sinks in the stalls which would be even better! Hopefully it becomes this way everywhere
I think I speak for most people in reality (as opposed to Reddit), when I say I would prefer to have just lived in the pre-2015 world where “toilets” were just toilets, you had the gents and the ladies, and none of this was a subject of incessant and weird American-imported political warfare.
I’m confused, are many school toilets these days gender neutral? Like, a communal area with stalls, sinks, urinals, but for everyone? Surely not.
But if they had a bunch of individual gender neutral toilets, like how disabled toilets are, I wouldn’t complain. I didn’t shit once in my entire time at school because of those awful stalls.
I genuinely don’t know why so many folk of late seem to give this much o a fuck about what’s in someone’s knickers.
Surely the prevailing rule should be “don’t be a cunt”, regardless o race, religion, or breeks situation. It’s not that complex.
Sanity and Common Sense and no more Misogyny has returned to Scottish Schools.
All school facilities in UK should have always bee single sex, hopefully the far left nutters will stfu from here on.
This article is weird. It does not state that the parents had two other complaints; they complained their son was punished for deliberately and repeatedly misgendering other bairn’s, and they complained that children who identified as different genders were welcome to participate in the sports day.
Jeezo. These parents are horrific. Their bairn has no chance with bigots like these.
And here was me growing up in Norfolk in the 80s where we had a unisex toilet.
Unisex. That’s what we called it.
It wasn’t novel, it wasn’t controversial. It was just a toilet. Nobody thought anything more of it.
And that was at a primary school in England in the late 80s.
Yeah, thats what young girls need when experiencing their first period, ect is a bunch of imature boys hanging about.
🤣 The outrage over this is hilarious.
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