Trump: Russia not taking over Ukraine is a concession

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5265907-trump-russia-ukraine-peace/

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  5. Just when you think this guy has hit the rock bottom of stupidity,he finds a way to dig deeper.

  7. What is wrong with this guy… honestly how did existence make such a thing.

  8. I don’t know which is worse about MAGA… their incompetence, their ignorance, or their apathy about following the laws they help make.

    FFS Trump even signed the document saying he’d support Ukraine’s claim to Crimea.

  9. Next step: Enter negotiations without firing a shot. 

    “Hey, Donald. It’s Vladimir here. I was thinking maybe I should attack Estonia. But you’re such an awesome guy and great at making deals, so what do you think about this deal: I make a concessions in that I _don’t_ attack and conquer all of Estonia, and in return, I get half. What do you say? I’ll build you that Trump Tower in Moscow that I promised earlier.”

  10. Rubio, you’re a pussy and everyone knows it, even your children.

  13. Can’t believe Ukraine has to negotiate with this asshat.

  16. Ok, let’s have a serious talk: Ukraine and Russia sign a peace deal, Russia gets everything they want. What is stopping them from breaking their promise AGAIN?

  17. Big tough president shits his pants instead of saying “no” to Putin. What a little bitch.

  19. Can this administration please collapse already? I’ll even say thank you after.

  20. Everything he says and does just sounds so weak to me. How do conservatives think this guy is strong? He seems like such a weenie to me.

  21. Not taking over Ukraine is not a concession, it is because Russia have literally tried for 3 years and have failed, partly due to support from their allies. The USA is now an embarrassment on the World stage.

  22. In May:

    Trump: Not taking over Poland is a concession

  23. It’s like saying “Hey, my friend broke into your house, stole your TV, killed your cat and pissed on your carpet, but he didn’t raid your fridge so you should be thankful to him”

  24. Ukraine must be feeling like Czechoslovakia in the late 1930s

  25. He doesn’t believe this, just as he knew that Russia was the aggressor despite his comments a month or two ago.

    He simply doesn’t care, hes a master manipulator, a master gaslighter, he spews all the bullshit he possibly can as well as accuses & discredits good journalists and non-right-leaning media at every opportunity.

    Please stop acting shocked and bewildered over the insane shit he says. He’s not JUST a world class moron, hes a wannabe dictator, a total narcissist who will do anything, lie in any bed, with any piece of shit dictator or country to get further ahead, to become richer, to cement his power, his reputation. Everything he does is malicious or at best willfully ignorant.

    Stop feeding into the idea that hes JUST dumb and clueless, its all part of the narrative that him and his team are intentionally writing. He’s in bed with Putin not because he believes Russian propaganda, but because siding with Putin is personally beneficial to him. What exactly Putin has offered him/what trump thinks he can get out of that partnership is anyones guess…

    Edit: Grammar

  26. Their 3 day special military operation turning into a 3 year slogfest tells me otherwise

  27. I just can’t wrap my brain around how anyone could be such a loser and coward like Trump and still be voted into one of the most powerful positions on earth.

  28. Russian failure on the battlefield is not a concession. Ukraine, with Western support, stalemated a numerically superior and provisioned force. In no world is that a concession.

  30. Remember everyone it’s totally just a coincidence that all of Agent Krasnovs worldviews align perfectly with Putin’s.

  31. I think he’s honestly just scared of Putin and doesn’t want to be a war president.

  33. > “He [Zelensky] can have Peace or, he can fight for another three years before losing the whole Country.”

    It’s not “peace” if you concede to every one of Putin’s demands and give him time to recoup and reorganize his forces for another “special military operation.”

    And don’t tell me this isn’t the case. Since when have you known Putin to uphold his end of the bargain, and how naive do you have to be to think that Putin will simply abandon his imperialist ambitions and his land grabbing campaign?

    Putin has violated damn near every official agreement since he first came into power, and he has made it perfectly clear that—under his stead—Russia is historically destined to reclaim its territory and become a dominant world superpower. Not to mention Putin’s commitment to expanding his oil empire.

    Keep in mind that Trump promised peace on “day one” and throughout Biden’s term he repeatedly touted that if he were president, this war would have never happened in the first place.

    Nevermind that Trump likely helped accelerate this war to begin with, nevermind the fact that his efforts thus far have been nothing short of derelict, but also bear in mind that Trump failed to negotiate a peace during his first term while Russian sponsored forces were waging war inside of Ukraine’s borders throughout the entirety of his presidency.

    Also don’t forget that Trump’s “peace” efforts so far have involved him extorting Zelensky and continuously disparaging him in public while not offering one word of rebuke for Putin.

    Trump even had the audacity to call Zelensky a “dictator without elections,” not only ignoring the fact that Zelensky was elected in a landslide back in 2019 and his constitution forbids elections during wartime, but also that Putin, an *actual* dictator, has been in power for a quarter century through elections that have been widely deemed fraudulent by the international community.

    That being said, the Trump Administration’s current “peace plan” aligns closely with Russia’s long standing goals and Trump officials have been threatening to “walk away” from the so-called peace process if Ukraine doesn’t ostensibly agree to the following:

    – That Russian forces be allowed to remain deep inside of Eastern Ukraine

    – That Ukraine withdraw its troops from territory that Russia currently occupies

    – That Ukraine relinquish nearly one fifth of this territory to Russia

    – That Ukraine accept Russia’s annexation of Crimea as legal and legitimate

    – and that Ukraine agree to never become part of NATO.

    Now tell me, in what fucking world does this deal benefit Ukraine in the slightest? It doesn’t.

    And don’t give me some BS about it “ending the war,” because for one, the war is *never* over for Putin, and two, the Trump administration doesn’t care about ending the war, they just want some fleeting credit for hastening a process that will only help Putin realize some of his immediate goals.

    Trump also made a detestable statement during a recent oval office appearance with Marco Rubio, calling Ukrainians “fools” if they don’t accept the deal.

    > “we’re just going to say, ‘You’re foolish, you’re fools, you’re horrible people, and we’re going to just take a pass.’”

    Great “negotiating” skills from the president here. This is obviously directed at Ukraine. Trump has made blunder after blunder throughout the entire peace process, and now he’s insulting and blaming Ukraine for his own failures.

    JD Vance is also trying desperately to spin this:

    > We’re going to freeze the territorial lines at some level close to where they are today.”

    > “The current lines, or somewhere close to them, is where you’re ultimately, I think, going to draw the new lines in the conflict,” he added. “Now, of course, that means the Ukrainians and the Russians are both going to have to give up some of the territory they currently own.”

    Vance conveniently didn’t mention what Russia would have to “give up,” because this so-called “freeze” would be forcing Ukraine to surrender a disproportionate amount of land to Russia, violating past agreements and Ukraine’s right to self-determination.

    And it’s obvious that this deal is egregiously one sided because Kremlin officials have been welcoming these remarks, while Ukrainian leaders have had no other recourse but to push back.

    > “There is nothing to talk about. This violates our Constitution. This is our territory, the territory of the people of Ukraine,” Mr. Zelensky told reporters in a news conference.

    Another top Ukrainian official even weighed in:

    > Yulia Svyrydenko, the Ukrainian economy minister, also vowed that her country “will never recognize the occupation of Crimea.” Writing on X, the social media site, she said that “Ukraine is ready to negotiate — but not to surrender. There will be no agreement that hands Russia the stronger foundations it needs to regroup and return with greater violence.”

    She’s right… She’s absolutely right.

    Churchill didn’t negotiate with Hitler because he knew the risks involved. He knew that Hitler was a dangerous expansionist looking to seize control of territory by any means necessary, and that any overtures of peace were merely strategic moves meant to give him enough time to recover his forces, only to later resume his warmongering offensive.

    It’s the same situation with Putin, but unfortunately our leaders don’t have the foresight, nor the knowledge, not even the goodwill to care about the fate of Ukraine.

    Trump even had the gall to attack Zelensky again:

    > In his statement, Mr. Trump accused Mr. Zelensky of making “inflammatory” statements that he claimed would prolong the war.

    Are you kidding me? Your entire approach to “ending the conflict” has been to escalate and inflame tensions, making enemies of allies and allies of enemies along the way.

    Trump continued:

    > “If he wants Crimea, why didn’t they fight for it eleven years ago when it was handed over to Russia without a shot being fired?” Mr. Trump wrote. “The statement made by Zelenskyy today will do nothing but prolong the ‘killing field,’ and nobody wants that!”

    This idiot doesn’t understand one thing about the history of this war, does he?

    Let me help you out…

    First of all, both the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukraine are seen as clear violations of the past agreements.

    A little over a decade ago, Putin offered refuge to his pro-russian puppet and former president of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovych after he fled to Russia following mass protests against his government. Yanukovych backed out of a planned signing of an association agreement with the EU, and largely at the behest of Putin.

    This paved the way for new elections in Ukraine, and Putin took this personally.

    Around the same time, armed men began to seize control of infrastructure in Crimea.

    Shortly after this, Putin ordered a snap referendum on the prospect of Crimea joining Russia. He then used the results to justify Russia’s “reincorporation,” and the annexation of the Crimean peninsula. The results of the referendum have been called into question as it was held under the presence of Russian military forces.

    This piece of history makes Trump’s attacks on Zelensky seem all the more unsettling.

  34. Latest News: More diarrhea comes out of President Krasnov’s mouth.

  38. They haven’t taken over Ukraine because they can’t.

  40. *”What an idiot.” “He’s so stupid.” “What kind of dumb logic is this?”*

    #FUCKING WAKE UP.

    He isn’t (just) stupid. He’s a fucking traitor intentionally betraying America and weakening her (now former) allies for the benefit of an enemy aggressor.

    The sooner people stop trying to find fucking reason or logic to the things he says or does the better. Trump is an agent of the enemy. He is taking actions to strengthen our enemy and weaken ourselves. Can we fucking please stop pretending this is anything else? It pisses me off so much when I see people still acting like he’s just a fucking senile moron saying dumb shit.

    # THIS IS ENEMY ACTION.

  41. It’s not even delusional, he’s just following orders. Fuck Russia.

  42. The “deal” was “Ukraine surrenders to russia”.

    It sure took him a while.

  43. Can someone explain to me how Republicans are ok with being Russia’s Yes Man?

  44. Russia has to completely return all stolen lands, and pay reparation for Ukraine to rebuild. And then Ukraine agrees not to join NATO. Look at that, those would be concessions from both sides. And if Putin’s fear was always Ukraine joining NATO, he even gets a win. Why is that so hard for the negotiators to come up with?

  45. “I’m going to stop this war….by giving Russia everything they want while I rob the remainder of their natural resources”

  46. Ukraine shouldn’t have to give any concessions. Ukraine should be getting all of its land back plus reparations from Russia for all the destruction and death they caused. Russia is the aggressor and therefore only Russia should be forced to give concessions.

  47. And Ukraine not taking all of Russia is a concession. And since Russia is bigger that’s more of a concession for Ukraine.

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