When did we lose the ability to dream of a future that looks different to the cesspit we live in now? It’s just sad.
Labour was started for the socialists and trade unionists. They sound pretty lefty.
*Just saying*
“Labour to ban leftwing groups…” immediately looked to source, expecting it to be Newsthump.
“Labour to ban fringe, entryist group that previously stood candidates against it” is less of a biased title haha.
> The group’s association with the party has long been controversial and there have been attempts to eject its members, but the movement deregistered with the Electoral Commission two days after Jeremy Corbyn was elected party leader, in order to support his leadership.
well, there it is
the purge continues
Like with a blanket, like left is auto-bad … you’ve the mirror backwards mate.
It kind of feels like there has been a cold war going on the past decade between corporations and everyday people, but the everyday people don’t realise they are in a cold war and the corporation’s taking full advantage of that fact.
Edit: in fact it’s been way longer than the past decade considering the outcome of 2008 crash for the bankers and corporations at the expense of everyday people.
It would be better for Labour and the left generally to seriously consider the formation of a serious left wing party in the future. Labour cannot survive by oscillating between Tory-lite and a true left wing party under every leader. As much as we need the Tories out, we need a left wing party that truly stands for left wing values.
Are they “banning them”?
Or are they saying “membership of this organisation isn’t compatible with membership of the Labour Party. Choose”.
Can’t be having left wingers in the “democratic socialist” Labour Party, can we?
Ah Labour formerly the party representing the Working class. Looks like the Conservatives are gonna be in power indefinitely at this point. Thanks for putting up no fight at all Labour. Future looks so… fucking bright…
Literally the most effective thing Labour can do to get in power is distance themselves from the hard left. Probably not a popular view on Reddit, but well done Keir
Starmer is an ideological authoritarian and very dangerous.
Meanwhile the Tories are happy to absorb voters from UKIP, Brexit party, BNP, Tommy Robinson supporters etc etc…
Labour’s tacticians are terrible.
Well, excluding fringe groups that the electorate don’t like is good sense unless you are a socialist on reddit, in which case labour = tories. There has been a lot of revisionism with Tony Blair, he was popular until the Iraq war. Now we’ve had over a decade of the tories and austerity but socialists can’t wrap their head around why people didn’t like Corbyn and why its necessary to compromise on principles to get elected.
Labour does nothing for us by being an eternal opposition party unyielding in its beliefs that are not popular enough to get it voted. It’s obnoxious to then grasp on to those beliefs as if they were holy scripture and without them in the manifesto it somehow makes them unfit to lead.
As an example the Copeland by-election really came down to Corbyn. Guess who’s had the biggest influence in terms of employment in Copeland? Guess what Corbyn was against for most of his time as MP? Put two and two together and you see why it, like many other Labour strongholds, turned blue for the first time.
But labour’s hard left are deluding themselves that it’s the big bad media and people being too stupid. I won’t claim the media has no effect but that excuse becomes very weak considering Starmers improved polling from Corbyn. Unfortunately this sub is also a hard left, Corbyn supporting sub so it’s not popular to think ‘our’ guy was so utterly trounced and on the verge of being booted out the party.
You’ve got a choice between center left and right wing, the vast majority are never going to vote in far leftists.
I went on a voting poll for Labour to gage and gain interest and with us was a young man dressed in a “free Palestine” shirt. I may well agree with him but that does nothing but hurt voting chances, the average person doesn’t care about these issues or want to hear about them. If Labour wants power you have to convince the centre not the left.
This is a step in the right direction, sad maybe but needed
luckily nobody worth anything gives a shit about the labour party anymore
Doing well in the polls? Purge the leftists
Doing badly in the polls? Also Purge the leftists
It’s like this Keir guy only has 1 trick.
Momentum said:
>“These factional proscriptions will create hundreds of time-consuming and pointless investigations into members for simply liking tweets or signing petitions. This has absolutely nothing to do with winning elections. Instead, it is yet another example of a Labour leadership obsessing over purging the left at a time when socialist ideas are more popular and urgent than ever.”
Couldn’t agree more. You’d think Labour should be co-opting all comers to aid their ballot battle against the incubent slime in a contest fought under FPTP rules.
Perhaps they should just merge with the LibDems and have done with it.
In order to provide a valid alliterative we must be more like the alternative.
Even if labour wins the next election, the Tories have sadly already won the argument. Even changes to a labour government keep pushing us to the right.
Scottish elections soon- postal vote now binned. Pointless
What is the point of Labour anymore, really?
Okay, it doesn’t believe that class antagonism exists, nor that capitalists and the wealthy are engaged in class war, nor that it’s workers who create wealth and are exploited via wage slavery and have their surplus labour stolen, as Marxists do.
What does it believe in, does it even have a analysis for why things are they way they are?
I suppose it makes a change from labour harassing left leaning jews out of the party for ridiculous claims of Antisemitism…
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When did we lose the ability to dream of a future that looks different to the cesspit we live in now? It’s just sad.
Labour was started for the socialists and trade unionists. They sound pretty lefty.
*Just saying*
“Labour to ban leftwing groups…” immediately looked to source, expecting it to be Newsthump.
“Labour to ban fringe, entryist group that previously stood candidates against it” is less of a biased title haha.
> The group’s association with the party has long been controversial and there have been attempts to eject its members, but the movement deregistered with the Electoral Commission two days after Jeremy Corbyn was elected party leader, in order to support his leadership.
well, there it is
the purge continues
Like with a blanket, like left is auto-bad … you’ve the mirror backwards mate.
It kind of feels like there has been a cold war going on the past decade between corporations and everyday people, but the everyday people don’t realise they are in a cold war and the corporation’s taking full advantage of that fact.
Edit: in fact it’s been way longer than the past decade considering the outcome of 2008 crash for the bankers and corporations at the expense of everyday people.
It would be better for Labour and the left generally to seriously consider the formation of a serious left wing party in the future. Labour cannot survive by oscillating between Tory-lite and a true left wing party under every leader. As much as we need the Tories out, we need a left wing party that truly stands for left wing values.
Are they “banning them”?
Or are they saying “membership of this organisation isn’t compatible with membership of the Labour Party. Choose”.
Can’t be having left wingers in the “democratic socialist” Labour Party, can we?
Ah Labour formerly the party representing the Working class. Looks like the Conservatives are gonna be in power indefinitely at this point. Thanks for putting up no fight at all Labour. Future looks so… fucking bright…
Literally the most effective thing Labour can do to get in power is distance themselves from the hard left. Probably not a popular view on Reddit, but well done Keir
Starmer is an ideological authoritarian and very dangerous.
Meanwhile the Tories are happy to absorb voters from UKIP, Brexit party, BNP, Tommy Robinson supporters etc etc…
Labour’s tacticians are terrible.
Well, excluding fringe groups that the electorate don’t like is good sense unless you are a socialist on reddit, in which case labour = tories. There has been a lot of revisionism with Tony Blair, he was popular until the Iraq war. Now we’ve had over a decade of the tories and austerity but socialists can’t wrap their head around why people didn’t like Corbyn and why its necessary to compromise on principles to get elected.
Labour does nothing for us by being an eternal opposition party unyielding in its beliefs that are not popular enough to get it voted. It’s obnoxious to then grasp on to those beliefs as if they were holy scripture and without them in the manifesto it somehow makes them unfit to lead.
As an example the Copeland by-election really came down to Corbyn. Guess who’s had the biggest influence in terms of employment in Copeland? Guess what Corbyn was against for most of his time as MP? Put two and two together and you see why it, like many other Labour strongholds, turned blue for the first time.
But labour’s hard left are deluding themselves that it’s the big bad media and people being too stupid. I won’t claim the media has no effect but that excuse becomes very weak considering Starmers improved polling from Corbyn. Unfortunately this sub is also a hard left, Corbyn supporting sub so it’s not popular to think ‘our’ guy was so utterly trounced and on the verge of being booted out the party.
You’ve got a choice between center left and right wing, the vast majority are never going to vote in far leftists.
I went on a voting poll for Labour to gage and gain interest and with us was a young man dressed in a “free Palestine” shirt. I may well agree with him but that does nothing but hurt voting chances, the average person doesn’t care about these issues or want to hear about them. If Labour wants power you have to convince the centre not the left.
This is a step in the right direction, sad maybe but needed
luckily nobody worth anything gives a shit about the labour party anymore
Doing well in the polls? Purge the leftists
Doing badly in the polls? Also Purge the leftists
It’s like this Keir guy only has 1 trick.
Momentum said:
>“These factional proscriptions will create hundreds of time-consuming and pointless investigations into members for simply liking tweets or signing petitions. This has absolutely nothing to do with winning elections. Instead, it is yet another example of a Labour leadership obsessing over purging the left at a time when socialist ideas are more popular and urgent than ever.”
Couldn’t agree more. You’d think Labour should be co-opting all comers to aid their ballot battle against the incubent slime in a contest fought under FPTP rules.
Perhaps they should just merge with the LibDems and have done with it.
In order to provide a valid alliterative we must be more like the alternative.
Even if labour wins the next election, the Tories have sadly already won the argument. Even changes to a labour government keep pushing us to the right.
Scottish elections soon- postal vote now binned. Pointless
What is the point of Labour anymore, really?
Okay, it doesn’t believe that class antagonism exists, nor that capitalists and the wealthy are engaged in class war, nor that it’s workers who create wealth and are exploited via wage slavery and have their surplus labour stolen, as Marxists do.
What does it believe in, does it even have a analysis for why things are they way they are?
I suppose it makes a change from labour harassing left leaning jews out of the party for ridiculous claims of Antisemitism…