‘FRAUD AT SCALE’: Elon Musk exposes shocking waste that makes people ‘numb’

‘FRAUD AT SCALE’: Elon Musk exposes shocking waste that makes people ‘numb’

♪ ♪ >> Jesse: TONIGHT, OUR EXCLUSIVE LOOK INTO D.O.G.E. ELON MUSK WAS NICE ENOUGH TO INVITE US INTO THE EISENHOWER BUILDING LAST NIGHT TO SIT IN ON HIS WEEKLY 10:00 P.M. D.O.G.E. MEETING. YEAH. THEY USUALLY MEET AT 10:00. I’M ALMOST IN BED BY THEN. WE MET THE WHOLE CREW, EVEN BIG BALLS. THEY SHOWED US HOW D.O.G.E. REALLY GETS DONE. WE SAT BACK, LISTENED AND LEARNED A LOT AND WE HOPE YOU DO TOO. HERE’S PART ONE OF OUR EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING US INTO THE MEETING. I’M GOING TO DO SOMETHING NO ANGER EVER DOES, I’M NOT GOING TO TALK. >> WHAT? >> Jesse: FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. >> YOU ARE TALKING RIGHT NOW. >> Jesse: I’M GOING TO LET YOU RUN YOUR MEETING AND THEN I WILL INTERRUPT WHEN I’M BORED. TAKE IT AWAY. >> SO LIKE A BOARD MEETING. [LAUGHS] >> Jesse: EXACTLY. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL I GUESS WE CAN ONLY GO AROUND THE TABLE AND SAY WHAT WE GOT DONE THIS WEEK. >> THIS WAY? >> SURE, START WITH YOU. >> SO ACTUALLY A LOT OF GREAT WORK IN TREASURY THIS WEEK. ONE OF THE CRAZY THINGS WITH REGARDS TO THE TREASURY IS THAT WHEN A PAYMENT IS MADE AND THE COMPUTER OF THE TREASURY PAY ABOUT $5 TRILLION PER YEAR, CRAZY AMOUNTS, THERE WAS FORMALLY NOT A BUDGET CODE ON THERE. A PAYMENT WAS MADE, YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS FOR. IT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR ANYTHING. THERE WAS A FOUR BILLION-DOLLAR COVID FUND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. THERE WAS NO RECEIPT REQUIRED SO PEOPLE COULD JUST DRAW DOWN ON IT. WHEN PEOPLE LOOKED INTO IT BEFORE US THEY FOUND THAT MONEY WAS BEING USED TO RENT OUT CAESAR’S PALACE FOR PARTIES, RENT OUT STADIUMS, ET CETERA. SO THE ONE CHANGE THAT — MADE HIS WE HAD THE SIMPLE REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU DRAW DOWN MONEY YOU MUST FIRST UPLOAD A RECEIPT. THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE MADE, YOU MUST UPLOAD YOUR RECEIPT. UPON DOING SO NOBODY DREW DOWN MONEY ANYMORE. >> WE DID NOT SAY THAT WE WOULD CHECK THE RECEIPT. YOU CAN SEND A PICTURE OF YOUR DOG. ANYTHING. BUT AS SOON AS WE ASK FOR ANYTHING AT ALL, SUDDENLY THEY WERE LIKE WE DON’T NEED IT ANYMORE. THAT’S INTERESTING. >> Jesse: THEY WERE RENTING CAESAR’S PALACE? >> YES. BASICALLY PARTYING ON TAXPAYER MONEY. >> Jesse: STADIUMS. >> YES. >> Jesse: LEASING STADIUMS. >> LEASING STADIUMS. >> Jesse: FOR WHAT? >> PARTIES BASICALLY. >> Jesse: PARTIES. THAT’S A BIG PARTY. YOU WOULD THINK IF YOU WERE STEALING YOU WOULD START SMALL. >> THEY DO START SMALL. WHAT HAPPENS IS OVER THE YEARS — GENERALLY IT STARTS OUT SMALL AND THEY TRY TO HIDE IT BUT YEAR AFTER YEAR IF NOBODY STOPS THE FRAUD IT GETS MORE AND MORE BRAZEN AND EVERY YEAR IT GETS BIGGER UNTIL THEY ARE LITERALLY RENTING OUT STADIUMS. >> Jesse: A MILLION DOLLARS TO RENT OUT A STADIUM? >> FRAUD, OKAY? AT SCALE. >> Jesse: THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY. WHEN YOU FIND THESE THINGS, TO YOU GUYS GET MAD? ARE YOU LIKE YES, I GOT ONE! HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL? >> IT’S SO COMMON. [LAUGHS] >> YOU GET NUMB TO IT. >> THE HUNDREDTH TIME YOU’VE HEARD IT, IT’S HARD NOT TO GET A LITTLE NUMB. BY THE 200TH TIME YOU ARE LIKE WELL OKAY IT’S JUST ANOTHER DAY AT THE OFFICE. >> IS THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION GIVING LOANS TO DEAD PEOPLE, PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 120? THE ANSWER WAS YES AND IT WAS AROUND $330 MILLION IN TOTAL. >> A BIRTHDAY THAT COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE REAL. OVER 115 YEARS OLD. SAFE TO SAY IF ANYBODY IS IN THE SYSTEM AS 100 OR 15 YEARS OR OLDER, THAT IS FAKE. >> JUST BY SHARING A DATABASE AND LOOKING AT SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THAT SHOW THAT AT THE TIME OF THE LOAN THEY HAD LISTED AS OVER 115 YEARS OLD OR UNDER 11. WE DID NOT EVEN CHECK FOR UNDER 18. UNDER 11 YEARS OLD. >> MAYBE DEAD PEOPLE WERE GETTING LOANS. >> $660 MILLION. >> AND ALSO PEOPLE WITH BIRTHDAYS IN THE FUTURE. >> Jesse: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> LIKE, THE BIRTHDATE I THINK IN ONE CASE WAS LIKE — >> Jesse: GETTING LOANS. >> TALKING ABOUT YOUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN. WITH THE BIRTHDATE, LIKE, OF 2165 OR SOMETHING. MORE THAN A CENTURY FROM NOW WAS THE BIRTHDAY. >> Jesse: GEORGE JETS AND WAS GETTING PAID. >> BECAUSE YOUR BIRTHDAY IS IN THE FUTURE, THE FAR FUTURE. NOT LIKE NEXT YEAR. THIS IS EITHER FRAUDULENT OR WE HAVE YOUR BIRTHDAY WRONG. >> Jesse: EITHER A TYPO OR SOMEONE IS STEALING. >> WHICH IS IT? YOU SHOULD AT LEAST ASK WHICH IS IT. >> Jesse: DO YOU GUYS FEEL YOU ARE GETTING JUSTICE? AND ACCOUNTABILITY? >> ONE OF THE EXTREME EXAMPLES OF NONACCOUNTABILITY IN SOME CASES IS WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH SMALL ENTITIES. THE INTER-AMERICAN FOUNDATION IS ONE OF THE AGENCIES WE VISITED WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY GET $50 MILLION A YEAR, CONGRESSIONAL MONEY, FOR THINGS LIKE FARMING IN PERU. >> THAT’S A REAL EXAMPLE. >> IMPROVING THE MARKETABILITY OF PEAS IN GUATEMALA. FRUIT JAM. YOU MIGHT EXPECT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, NONPROFIT, 80 OR 90% OF THEIR MONEY TO GRANTEES. IN THE CASE OF IAF, THAT WAS 58%. SO THE OTHER HALF GOES TOWARDS MANAGEMENT, TRAVEL. >> AN EXAMPLE IS THAT EVEN IF YOU AGREE WITH SUPPORTING ALPACA FARMERS IN PERU, ACTUALLY MOST OF THE MONEY NEVER MADE IT OUT OF DC. IT’S GOING INTO THE POCKETS OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> Jesse: WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU THINK DOESN’T EVEN GET TO THE DESTINATION IT’S SUPPOSED TO? >> I BELIEVE THE ESTIMATE, NOT OUR ESTIMATE, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE ORDER OF ONLY 10-15 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR GETS TO THE END RECIPIENT. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THAT CAUSE OR NOT. >> Jesse: SO THEY ARE STEALING THE MONEY BEFORE IT GETS ANYWHERE. >> THERE’S LAYERS OF STEALING. THERE’S THE FIRST LAYER OF STEALING, SECOND LAYER, THIRD PLAYER. >> Jesse: SUBCONTRACTOR, SUBCONTRACTOR. >> EXACTLY. IT’S LIKE PEELING AN ONION. SOMETIMES ZERO. YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ONION ANSWERS NOTHING THERE. >> Jesse: MAYBE NO ONE GOT A SEX CHANGE IN GUATEMALA. >> IT’S POSSIBLE NO ONE DID. >> I OVERHEARD A CONTRACTOR TELL ONE OF THEIR COLLEAGUES TO FALSIFY BILLABLE HOURS BY CREATING A POWER POINT TO MASK A DELAY IN THE ONBOARDING PROCESS IN FRONT OF ME. THIS IS LIKE OUR ZERO OF THIS AGENCY. THIS IS JUST A COMMON THEME. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONTRACTS IN THE GRANTS. AND IT SOUNDS GOOD, IT SOUNDS AMAZING, BUT YOU FOLLOW THE FUNDS. >> SEND US A PICTURE. SEND US A PICTURE REQUEST IS INCREDIBLY GOOD. IT WOULDN’T BE THAT HARD TO GET AI TO GENERATE THE PICTURES BUT THEY DON’T EVEN BOTHER DOING THAT. >> Jesse: YOU CAUGHT THEM COLD, BILLING FRAUD. >> ADVISING HER COLLEAGUE TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT TAKES A FEW DAYS TO ONBOARD. SO THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED RIGHT NOW. >> GENERALLY THESE PROGRAMS AND GRANTS WILL BE ALONG THE LINES OF SAY THE BABY PANDAS AND IT’S LIKE OF COURSE WHO WOULD NOT WANT TO SAVE THE BABY PANDAS? IN SOME CASES THEY’VE GOT A SHOW PANDA WHICH THEY WILL BRING OUT FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS BUT IN A LOT OF CASES THERE ISN’T EVEN ONE PANDA. WE ASK FOR PICTURES AND WE DON’T EVEN GET ONE PANDA. AND IT’S LIKE WELL THAT’S A LOT — WHERE DOES $1 BILLION GET YOU IF IT DOESN’T EVEN GET YOU ONE PANDA? >> Jesse: YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE A BABY PANDA. >> YEAH. LIKE THE EBOLA MONEY. WE AGREE WE SHOULD NOT HAVE EBOLA BUT WHERE’S THE MONEY GOING? TO DELOITTE IN DC? WHAT IS AN ACCOUNTING FIRM DOING WITH EBOLA MONEY? >> Jesse: WHAT HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST RESISTANCE? IS THERE ONE AGENCY, IS THERE ONE DEPARTMENT THAT WHEN YOU GUYS WALK IN THEY ALL START FIGHTING YOU, START HIDING THINGS? [INDISTINCT] [LAUGHS] >> I GUESS YOU COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION, SURE. WE HAVE HAD SOME BATTLES. YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT YOURS. >> SMALL AGENCY CALLED THE UNITED STATES INSTITUTE OF PEACE. THE AGENCY WE HAD THE MOST FIGHT OUT OF. WE WENT INTO THE AGENCY AND FOUND THEY HAD LOADED GUNS INSIDE OF THEIR HEADQUARTERS. >> KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF THE TITLE. >> BY FAR THE LEAST PEACEFUL AGENCY WE’VE WORKED WITH, IRONICALLY. ADDITIONALLY WE FOUND THEY WERE SPENDING MONEY ON THINGS LIKE PRIVATE JETS AND THEY EVEN HAD A 130,000-DOLLAR CONTRACT WITH A FORMER MEMBER OF THE TALIBAN. THIS IS REAL. WE DON’T ENCOUNTER THAT IN MOST AGENCIES. >> Jesse: WHAT WAS THE MONEY GOING TO THE TALIBAN FOR? >> A CONTRACTOR THAT RECEIVED $130,000 FOR GENERIC SERVICES. THERE WAS NOT A CLEAR DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE SERVICES WERE FOR. >> Jesse: WASN’T FOR OPIUM? >> UNCLEAR. >> Jesse: OR WEAPONS? >> OR NOTHING. >> Jesse: OR A BRIBE. >> YOU HAVE TO ASK HOW WE GOT HERE. WHEN THE COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED THERE WERE ONLY FOUR AGENCIES. TODAY THERE ARE OVER FOR HUNDRED SO THERE’S BEEN A 100 TIMES INCREASE SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THE NATION AND THANKS TO PRESIDENT TRUMP HE HAS SIGNED TWO EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF AGENCIES AND THE INSTITUTE OF PEAS WAS ONE OF THEM WHICH IS WHY WE WENT IN AND THAT’S WHEN WE FOUND THE CRAZINESS LIKE THE WEAPONS IN THE ARMORY. WE FOUND THE PAYMENTS TO THE TALIBAN. >> TRIED TO HIDE THE EVIDENCE. >> JUST A FEW HOURS WE GOT INTO THEIR HEADQUARTERS WE FOUND THEIR CHIEF ACCOUNTANT HAD DELETED OVER A TERABYTE OF ACCOUNTING RECORDS. YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK WHY WOULD SOMEBODY DO THAT. WE WERE ABLE TO RECOVER THAT FROM A FEW GREAT EMPLOYEES AT THE INSTITUTE OF PEAS BUT THEY RECEIVED $55 MILLION A YEAR FROM CONGRESS AND ON THE MONEY THAT WENT ON SPEND, INSTEAD OF RETURNING IT TO CONGRESS, THEY WOULD SWEEP IT INTO A PRIVATE BANK ACCOUNT WHICH HAS NO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT AND THAT’S WHAT THEY WOULD USE TO FUND EVENTS AT THEIR HEADQUARTERS ON THE PRIVATE JETS. I THINK IT’S A GREAT EXAMPLE BECAUSE MOST AMERICANS DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON AT A LOT OF THESE SMALLER AGENCIES AND I THINK THIS IS THE MOST EXTREME CASE OF SOME OF THE WASTEFUL SPENDING WE ARE FINDING. >> Jesse: THE AGENCIES ARE HIDING MONEY FROM YOU, THEY ARE SENDING IT TO THE TALIBAN, THEY HAVE LOADED WEAPONS IN THE DEPARTMENT BUILDINGS. >> AT THE INSTITUTE OF PEACE. >> Jesse: AT THE INSTITUTE OF PEACE. SO THIS IS A COVER-UP WHEN YOU GUYS ROLLING. >> THIS ONE IS, YES. THEY DID DELETE A VAST AMOUNT OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION. THAT’S REALLY THE DEFINITION OF A COVER-UP. >> Jesse: ISN’T THAT ILLEGAL? >> YES. >> Jesse: TO SHRED DOCUMENTS. >> CERTAINLY IS ILLEGAL TO DELETE ACCOUNTING RECORDS THAT CONGRESS WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE FUNDS ARE GOING FROM TAXPAYERS. >> Jesse: WHEN YOU CATCH THEM GOING HILLARY’S FILE ON THEIR COMPUTERS, DO YOU REFER THIS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE? >> IN THIS CASE WE DID, TO THE FBI AND DOJ. WE WERE PROUD TO DO THAT. SO YES, WE DID. >> THIS HAS SHOWN UP IN SURPRISING PLACES. FOR EXAMPLE THE FAMOUS FORK IN THE ROAD EMAIL, THE DEFERRED RESIGNATION PROGRAM. THIS WAS A PROGRAM WHERE YOU COULD RESIGN FROM THE GOVERNMENT, COLLECT PAY AND BENEFITS FOR THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS. PROBABLY THE MOST ATTRACTIVE SEPARATION PROGRAM EVER IN HUMAN HISTORY. THE RESISTANCE ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE OUTSIDE WITH PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS A TRICK. HEARD SOMEONE REFER TO IT AS AN APPLE WITH A RAZOR BLADE. NO, THIS WAS JUST REALLY JUICY APPLE, A CARAMEL TIPPED APPLE. IT WAS THAT GOOD. BUT PEOPLE WERE TALKED OUT OF TAKING IT AND NOW WHAT HAS STARTED TO HAPPEN IS WE DID ABOUT — HAVE 80,000 PEOPLE TAKE IT AND THOSE WHO TOOK IT ARE ON THE BEACH OR HAVE MOVED ON TO A NEW JOB AND ARE STILL GETTING PAID SO NOW WE ARE STARTING TO OFFER FORK TWO AND FORK THREE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT SOMEONE HAS EATEN THE APPLE AND IT WAS TASTY AND GOOD FOR THEM. >> Jesse: IS DOJA JUST GETTING STARTED? THIS IS A LONG-TERM ENTERPRISE. >> A LONG-TERM ENTERPRISE BECAUSE IF WE TAKE OUR EYE OFF THE BALL, THE WASTE AND FRAUD WILL COME ROARING BACK. >> Jesse: KEEPING D.O.G.E. DOJA WHEN DEMOCRATS GET BACK IN POWER. >> YEAH. WELL I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS — WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE IT BE SUCH THAT THE FUNDING IS REMOVED SO THE GRANTS ARE GONE. IF THERE’S A LOT OF WORK REQUIRED TO RESTART

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