Germany’s Foreign Ministry just gave Marco Rubio a lesson in basic democratic values:

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by Morgentau7

31 comments

  1. What these idiots dont understand is that the Verfassungsschutz is an independent entity. “germany” did nothing to its opposition. 
    I hate the USA so much it makes me sick.

    Edit: to address all the comments telling me, the Verfassungsschutz is not independent: Yes, i know its part of the ministery of inner affairs. HOWEVER, it is controlled by three different and independent instances: the ministery, the courts and the parliament making it practically independent from subjectification from a single instance and free to make its own judgements and investigations without holding any executive or juridistic power. 

    In germany its just not possible to have political influence over a single institution, the way the US does.

  2. I find it ironic that the same people so eager to dismantle democracy are the first to complain that ‘it’s not a democracy’, but only when it doesn’t serve their interests. It’s clear they’re trying to destroy the EU by targeting and controlling its members one at a time.

  3. Friendly reminder that multiple AfD politicians are currently under investiagtions for hoarding weapons and preparing an ‘ethnic cleansing’.
    This is not about banning opposition. This is about preventing 1933.

  5. “Tyranny in disguise”. Aren’t they talking about themselves?

  8. Keep antagonising Germany, keep meddling in German affairs, keep up the confrontational and shameless tone and see where it will get you.

    The more they do this, the more Germany will throw its weight around in the EU in support of strategic autonomy and “Gaullism”.

    It’s an historic achievement of the current American administration to utterly disgust the vast majority of the German political elites and the public so much that they are moving away from one of the main pillars of German foreign policy since WW2 – the “Westbindung” (transatlantic alliance). It’s a truly herculean effort to do in a few months what France couldn’t in 80 years, despite the very close cooperation.

    Just like Putin destroyed the last illusions many (unfortunately not all) traditionally Russophile Germans had about Russia, so do Trump and his cronies for the US.

  9. By historic standards Rubio’s comment is extremely aggressive towards the largest European country and any concerns would normally have been expressed in diplomatic language in private. This is how far the US has fallen in just over 100 days.

  10. This is also factually wrong. The Verfassungsschutz ( our “spy agency” according to Rubio) already had powers to surveil der AfD, because it was a “rechtsextremer Verdachtsfall” for years (meaning: the AfD was, because of its public statements already under surveillance, because the suspicion against the rule of law was already there, for years).
    + to that: the AfD youth organisation, the AfD on many state levels and many members were already known to be proven right wing extremist.

    Democracy has to defend itself.

  11. Germany is insulted everyday by US but still has its military bases. If they have really some pride, Germans should expel all US soldiers from Germany.

  12. Every accusation that the current American government is doing, is a self admition…

  14. They should have ended with “The USA was here, wasn’t anyone paying attention?.

  15. „Germans just gave…“!?!?!? It’s in the constitution the allies helped us write 80 years ago you complete failure of a human… ffs!

  17. Because MAGA is an extremist group as well thinly disguised as “conservatives” which they are not

  19. The point is that the democratic opinion is based on the honest truth. No lies, no blatant alternative facts, no extrem intolerance to minorities respecting law and order defined by the fundamental constitution and human rights as accepted by the majority of the population.

    The AfD does not respect the fundamental values of the „constitution“ and puts the free democratic future of the majority at risk.

    With the AfD a „majority“ is 25%. The problem is that explicitly 50% is against the AfD.

  20. As a german all I can say: kümmert euch um euren eigenen scheiss ihr diabetiker

  21. Why do all Americans politicians pretend the US doesn’t “surveil the opposition?” That’s all the fucking CIA does and it’s how America has always done business.

  23. imagine, an american minister talking about the establishment *giggle*

    that said, these two points … a organisation, beeing extremist and unregulated migration causing problems aren’t exclusive to each other, they can both be true at the same time!

  24. Ok, one problem is that the AfD keeps playing with the Nazis. Weidel said in an interview that there is nothing to celebrate on the D-day. They keep using post-WWII extreme right rhetoric that was popular in very small, hidden nazi circles in the last 80 years. The question is why they do it and how many in the party actually believe that stuff. My guess is that a fraction of the party is highly opportunistic, so even nazi ideas are fine as long as they grant them influence and power, but in the lower ranks is full of real nazis because these were the only people that they could recruit here and there.
    But regardless of what Rubio says, every country has to live/deal somehow with extreme right parties, I think Germany has to learn to do it as well, eventually. Years ago, these hardcore conservatives were hidden in the CDU and had to be very disciplined, christian, well-behaved etc. They existed, but they had to keep a certain low profile so they wouldn’t go around babbling about nazi stuff. They would however maybe say that it’s sad that we lost Breslau or Stettin because they were so nice. Or they would show support for a high-ranking official of the Wehrmacht who massacred civilians in Italy or Poland. Only that people don’t remember that anymore after 50-60 years. After all you cannot pretend that because something terrible happened 80 years ago then your population is somehow special and therefore people with far right ideas do not exist because you taught them in school that the Nazis were bad.

  25. Their “spy agency”?! Which kindergarten does he work for/in?!

  27. Genuine question: what does that have to do with democracy?

    Democracy is letting the population vote for things. An investigation is not related to democracy

  28. I think Rubio is totally slapable. An arrogant boy holding his nose and only hitching up to trump to advance his own career.

    And his point about tyranny is bullshit. It’s ok for German intelligence to keep an eye on threats to the constitution. And afd has some members with views that threaten the constitution. Specifically, the view that people who don’t have a german lineage can be stripped of their German citizenship and excluded from the country. That’s a very dangerous idea.

    But I came here to say. If the afd legitimately get into power and legally change the constitution to remove the protection for those people, then it would be just as dangerous for the german state to work against the democratically elected authority in the land.

    I see a lot of troubling things about Germany lately. There is an emerging feeling that there is an elite class of officials that have appointed themselves as the guards the “real” values of germany. You see it from Merkel who said that Israel’s security should be treated as an extension of Germany’s security. That isn’t illegal, until Germany steps over someone actual legal rights to uphold an non legal official maxim like that. This happened recently with the Irish protestors for Palestinian being stripped of their right to live and work in Berlin.

    And now we see the foreign office not being very careful to distinguish a threat to the unofficial state posed by afd people who want to legally change the constitution, to a group using force or illegal means to threaten German citizens rights under the current constitution.

    It’s all quite concerning that official Germany is setting up to resist a democratically elected govt and justifying everything with things that happened in WW2. As if one is always the same as the other.

  29. How in the flying fuck is it democracy if judiciary can fn ban parties, wtf are you people smoking.

    Separation of powers, anyone?!

    Disgusting.

  30. So many of the comments here really make me feel worried about our future. Where do people educate themselves on constitutional and democratic principles and topics, TikTok and Twitter?

  31. Imagine if republicans banned the democrat party lmao

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